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am_Unition  ·  650 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Trump's criminal culpability

In what universe is calling for the hanging of the Vice President based on the lie that there was widespread election fraud not an insurrection attempt?

Feel free to link to literally any credible resource (Mike Pillow doesn't count) that details how the election was stolen.





katakowsj  ·  639 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Agreed.

onemilligram  ·  649 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Ok, What did that have to do with Trump?

am_Unition  ·  649 days ago  ·  link  ·  

When Trump initiated the lie about the election being stolen, or summoned people to D.C. for the 6th via a tweet on Dec. 19th ("will be wild!"), or when he gave a speech around 1 PM on the 6th imploring people to go to the capitol just before thousands of people marched to the capitol, or when he later tweeted on the 6th that "Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what needed to be done" (i.e. refuse to certify the vote) and just after it went live someone at the capitol read it to the crowd through a megaphone immediately preceding the chants of "Hang Mike Pence!".

I could go on and on but I think it'd be a bit overwhelming because I can now surmise that you've probably not been exposed to any of this information before. Which, straight up, is really weird. No one here gets their rocks off to MSNBC, or any mainstream liberal sources for that matter, but I'll do things like watch Tucker and Hannity every now and then, just to know what they're saying instead of walking into a debate perhaps missing one half of the story, erroneous and fatuous (and racist, a word that seems increasingly guaranteed to send every self-proclaimed libertarian into berserker mode for some strange reason) as I think their spew is.

    There was ample circumstantial evidence at the time that there was some seriously shady shit that went down on election night. Not least of which was all the battleground states shutting down at the same time. Many reports of ballot harvesting, I can go on for weeks with all the anomalies.

Well, I've got some good news. We have weeks! All the weeks. I'm quarantined with covid in Switzerland on business, and when I get home, it's back to getting paid millions of dollars an hour to be politely mean to libertarians on this website. Ugh, now I don't know whether I'm on the clock or not.

And wtf does "Battleground states shutting down at the same time" mean? It's not often that someone makes a claim about this stuff that I haven't heard yet.

Mr. Potatohead, as incredibly uninspiring though he may be, wouldn't have the indecency to lie about an election being stolen when he knew it wasn't, simply to grift off the lie and use it to attempt to seize/maintain power illegitimately.

And truly, I have issues believing that libertarians are able to debate any of this in good faith, especially the full-blown anarcho-crypto types who don't believe that any shred of government should exist at all.

I mean look, you're clearly pretty smart. You can formulate sentences better than maybe ~90% of Americans. But consider the possibility that you've been consuming a diet of information so biased that it makes you easily manipulable to evil actors.

katakowsj  ·  639 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Slap my forehead. Well...The highest Executive authority in the land created a lie and instructed an irate mob to fight like hell to change US election result (not ever in a kind “pretty-Please mannerjand now did his damnest to ensure this fired up crew had as many weapons as possible as they arrived at the Capitol. (His disdain for weapon checks that day. )Trump then Knowing full well some of them may kill Mike Pence or Nancy Pelosi if they made their way in. Very likely this would not happened had he conceded the clearly evident loss. He may not be legally culpable, but he's morally culpable . It’s this unethical, Lawful Evil, no man’s land where he seems to have made his career. I’ll place some responsibility on the Libs that didn’t see this ahead of time and put some countermeasures in place.

To me , it’s a more direct line of cause-effect deceit than COVID.,in which he denied it’ s existence, mode of transmission, and severity all while 1,000,000 Americans died on his watch

am_Unition  ·  639 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Oh, it 100% wouldn't have happened without Trump's direction. It was so obviously a top-down, all-hands-on-deck effort extending into every possible avenue of action to keep Trump in power.

And I think he is legally culpable. I predict DoJ indicts him after the midterms, but I'm sure he'll never see the inside of a jail cell. He'll stall the court system until 2025, and campaign on the accusations that it's yet another witch hunt, and unless dems somehow keep the white house, then he either pardons himself or gets a pardon.

At this point, I'm not sure if Trump or DeSantis emerges as the eventual nominee. To anyone hoping for DeSantis, I guess I trust him slightly more with the nuclear codes, but he would be an even more effective fascist than Trump. kleinbl00 thinks that DeSantis is simply too uncharismatic to hold the attention span of the GOP voting base, but that issue might be taken care of with a DeSantis-Palin/Boebert/Greene ticket. Or DeSantis-Trump. Just kidding, Trump would never settle for being VP. No idea who the democrats will try to run, but if it's Biden or Harris, that'll be a GOP victory. Not that winning at the polls will necessarily matter after SCOTUS rules how we're all worried they will on Moore vs. Harper next year. I think it's not a question of if we lose our democracy, moreso how fast.

Fascist fucks and their "libertarian" enablers. Can't think of a more pathetic alliance.

lol anyway, I probably wouldn't say that so bluntly if I thought there was any chance that 1 mg was planning on returning. He must've really hated the information we peddled.