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ButterflyEffect  ·  1259 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Pubski: November 11, 2020

Here's a really interesting case-study in "Why Facebook is Terrible" and "Why Large Facebook Groups Are Killing The Planet" and "Why Digital Advertising Will Ruin You":

    Real talk: I'm seriously contemplating shutting down this group. This is not a threat, just the reality of my free labor situation. I will continue my daily reporting of dining information on my website and I will keep all social media related to <Removed>, except for this endeavor, this Facebook group that sucks so much of my time, it's unreal. It's become an unwieldy labor burden I don't know that I want to continue.

    BACK STORY

    I started a dining website in 2019 called <Removed>. This Facebook group is an extension of my website, of course.

    MY LABOR

    I spend 15 hours a week writing and reporting stories for my website and managing my other <Removed> social media. I spend 15 hours a week managing and moderating this group, which has become a major time suck.

    THE PROBLEM

    When this group was smaller, I had a much higher click-through rate. That gave me tangible rewards that made the labor I put into this group worth my labor.

    THIS GROUP GOT TOO BIG, AND NOT ENOUGH OF YOU READ MY CONTENT

    With 14,000 members, you'd think I'd have a big click-through to my website? Well, you'd be wrong. That number has plummeted to 1 percent. I do A-B testing in the group. I'll post a story here, and only here, to measure the click-through rate to my website. The results have been disappointing to me considering the amount of time I spend moderating and upkeep in this group.

    MY READERSHIP OUTSIDE THIS GROUP

    I get so much readership outside this group. My click through from my other social media, which I spend almost no time managing, is amazing and is carrying my website and my efforts at this point. But this group? You are not giving me enough support.

    WHY NOT GET ADMIN HELP FOR THIS GROUP?

    The legal entanglements of my website and social media brand mean I will not be handing off this group to anyone or having admins help in the group. I cannot, for legal and branding reasons, have anybody else manage anything related to my website unless they are an employee. And, welp, I can't even afford to pay myself, let alone an employee.

    HOW YOU CAN ENSURE I KEEP THIS GROUP GOING

    I'm giving myself 90 days to see if this turns around. January 2021, I'll be making some decisions.

    I want to be clear that there are ways you can help me and my mission of broadcasting the good news about dining in <Removed> that will make my labor here worthwhile. Two are free. One is a donation. They are:

    1. Click on all my stories at <Removed>. There's real value to my website in that. The more people who read my stuff, the higher Google pushes my site on search results, and more people will see the good news about dining in <Removed>. Then, I'll feel I get something tangible from 15 hours of labor a week in this group. My labor outside this group has paid off because my readership stats right now are where I was at in year eight of running my last dining blog for the local newspaper. But the people who are doing all the work to help me broadcast my devotion to dining in <Removed>? They're not in this group.

    2. Share my stories. Social shares by YOU improve my ranking for social media distribution and will result in higher readership. Facebook's algorithm favors content creators who get more shares. You can't share from a private group (Facebook's rules, not mine), so if you want this group to continue, go to my other Facebook page, <Removed>, and share my stories from there.

    3. Put your money where your mouth is. Like my content? Then send some cash my way to keep my operation going. Patreon is where you can contribute. Between income taxes and platform fees, I make about 50 percent of earnings through your pledge, but it's better than nothing and I like that Patreon handles the transactions and taxing so I don't have to. Patreon pays for my hosting, web, platform and design software fees, my licensing and business fees. I don't accept advertising on my website because it violates the ethics codes all journalists follow, so Patreon is the only way I earn money for my labor. <Removed>

    This has been a PSA. Carry on. I am turning off commenting because this isn't a debate, a call-to-action for arguments, or anybody needing to wax my ego, or an invitation for trolling. This is REAL TALK about whether or not this group continues and what you can do to help ensure this group is worth the labor I invest in it.





kleinbl00  ·  1259 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Here's a really interesting case-study in "Why Facebook is Terrible" and "Why Large Facebook Groups Are Killing The Planet" and "Why Digital Advertising Will Ruin You":

That's not the right take-away in my opinion. Facebook is terrible, large Facebook groups are killing the planet but digital advertising is a bajillion times cheaper and substantially more effective than much of the advertising options we've dealt with.

Your hapless blogger's problem isn't advertising or Facebook. His issue is that he somehow thought that creating a Facebook group would give him a forum for his website. This is contrary to all available evidence: Facebook silos the shit out of their stuff, scrapes your content so that you can see it in a Facebook wrapper without ever leaving, and tags your readers like wildlife so that they can categorize them and market them to other people who understand what Facebook is useful for: increasing search rank and converting new customers.

Those 14,000 members have zero reason to leave Facebook. There's people to argue with on Facebook, opinions to lodge on Facebook, memes to share on Facebook and hell to raise on Facebook that was never going to convert for him anyway. What was he looking for? Click-through? So that he can make money on ads? Facebook has a tight-as-a-drum ad network they control entirely, why on earth would they let their traffic go somewhere else to see someone else's ads?

If he had a restaurant? Worth having a Facebook page. If he had a restaurant supply store? Worth having a Facebook page. They're about product. If what you have is a blog, though, why are you on Facebook at all? What's your revenue model anyway? Eater couldn't make money, they got absorbed by Vox. Vox can't make money with Eater, either. So now you're doing food reviews on Patreon? Prolly shoulda started there. Still kinda touch'n'go but I mean, Consumer Reports isn't exactly wealthy. Review sites aren't a profit center and expecting Facebook comments to get you there was optimistic.

ButterflyEffect  ·  1259 days ago  ·  link  ·  

All good points, no arguments here! I will point out that in this case it’s a her blog.

uhsguy  ·  1259 days ago  ·  link  ·  

What’s the blog? And topic?

ButterflyEffect  ·  1258 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It’s entirely food and restaurant based for the county I live in, written by a former food journalist who worked for a handful of newspapers over the years.

kleinbl00  ·  1259 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I stand corrected, wish her the best, and hope that enough people bail on Facebook and join her on Patreon to keep her in canapes.