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veen  ·  1248 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Woke up this morning to zero new COVID cases in Victoria

Easiest way I've found to compare is to enable the Covid layer in Google Maps. You can zoom in for county numbers.

Poor Belgium is doin' a Dakota over there.





kleinbl00  ·  1248 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Except those numbers are dumb, and not really tied to anything in particular. Know how Google will throw the first search result it thinks is decent up at you when you search so that you don't feel like you need to click on anything? It actually does a really shit job of that when it doesn't have the context that it so desperately needs, and nobody is doing "context" with COVID (they're doing North Dakota things like lopping a zero off). If I look up "zamak 2 casting temperature" on Google it'll tell me 2600f because there's a site that is stupidly wrong. Zamak 2 melts at 900f, that's why you make carburetors out of it. 2600f is somewhere awkward between gold and platinum and in any event is about 500f hotter than home furnaces will go which is good because otherwise I'd be out there making iridescent zinc gas.

The statistic WA state uses for openings and closings is cases/100k, 2-week rolling average. Thus, that data can't be scraped easily by Google or anyone else. Thus, the number I care about is "121.9 and skyrocketing"

while Google is at "9.1 and dropping." Which, looking at the data, was where we were May 29th. And if Google is comparing May data and October data (presuming Belgium is updated within the past 20 days), Google isn't doing anyone any favors.

veen  ·  1247 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Fair enough, they're dumb for WA because WA uses a dumb public metric. We have pretty decent daily case reporting, so it's actually accurate on that map. My region is 61 on Gmaps and 62 on the governmental dashboard.

Other than that the map is just Johns Hopkins and NYT data repackaged, and since nobody does this shit any better than mediocre, it's unfortunately the best international comparison we got. Which is different from what you might need to inform yourself, but is what the original question here was.

kleinbl00  ·  1247 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Here's my point: Google is scraping the easiest data and calling it final. You're arguing that my source is dumb - it's not, they report the 7-day, too, which Google also gets wrong. I know they're wrong for where I'm at because I care a lot and I know that JH and the NYT don't agree with UW don't agree with WHO don't agree with FT and if Google is using "today data" for Belgium and "May data" for parts of the US then Google's map is worse than useless. Mediocre times mediocre is mediocre squared, not doubly mediocre.

veen  ·  1246 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Point taken. What's your go-to international source, if I may ask? I get the sense Our World in Data does the best job, but it's really hard to properly gauge.

kleinbl00  ·  1246 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah that's the truly frustrating thing. I don't think there is one. I probably wouldn't care so much if I wasn't dealing with my county, my state and UW all dealing with the same data (at some level) and all reporting different shit.

I lean into FT from time to time, but that's probably more to do with the fact that they were the first ones to put international data together in a legible fashion, and they call out underreported deaths more. I check NYT for the same reason - their visualizations are better. I don't think their data is necessarily good but I don't think anyone's is.

The disunity around COVID is one of the most discouraging things I've ever seen. I watched an interview with Sanjay Gupta last night on Colbert. He pointed out that accounting for population, COVID in the US is exactly as fatal, at exactly the same speed, as the 1918 pandemic. It's like we've learned NOTHING.

b_b  ·  1246 days ago  ·  link  ·  

NYT had one of those mini docs yesterday where they were like, "You know what's fucked up? The fact that all the places where they've been able to control covid they're basically following the protocols that were developed in the USA by the CDC and partners." So, yeah, we learned how to lead the horse to water all right. Getting him to drink has been a heavier lift, to put it mildly.

kleinbl00  ·  1246 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I firmly believe that Trump would be sailing to re-election at a 90% approval if, in the middle of the Democratic debates, he'd said "fuck all that we got a crisis y'all have to do what I say to save lives" and then proceeded to dictate a semi-coherent response. He could even be looting the shit out of the process, steering massive amounts of largess and payola to his cronies, nationalizing the Proud Boys as "coronavirus response militia" or some shit and stomp on minorities because their infection rate is so high.

He could be exactly the goose-stepping, venal nazi he is, only he'd be getting away with it, if he'd actually just gotten out of the way, let the medical establishment take care of things and then taken credit for any successes.

Intelligence literally came to him and said "here's a one-month head start on the issue that will define your presidency, how do you want to take advantage of it" and he said "I don't."

If he hadn't kicked Steve Bannon to the curb years ago we'd be looking at like a fifth Trump term.