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flagamuffin  ·  725 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Thanks to Trump, Scientists Are Planning to Run for Office

lemme get this straight. you all think this is a good thing? you want our scientists doing less... science... and more of whatever the fuck congressmen do all day?

JTHipster  ·  725 days ago  ·  link  ·  


Scientists shouldn't be relegated to an ivory tower and kept isolated from policy. It's high time we accepted that the way we live our lives is so heavily tied to our scientific understanding that its crazy more scientists aren't in politics.

Its not like we haven't had generals, businessmen, artists, or even fucking pro wrestlers in offices. Scientists aren't any more stuck in a rigid silo than those people are.

snoodog  ·  725 days ago  ·  link  ·  

There are a lot of Scientists out there and only a couple hundred congress folks. I think we can spare a few scientists to do important shit like set national science policy. I mean whats a couple hundred more administrators in a sea of bureaucracy.

bfv  ·  725 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yes, because preventing idiotic congrescritters from getting in the way is a much greater contribution than any individual scientist is likely to make doing research.

flagamuffin  ·  725 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    preventing idiotic congrescritters from getting in the way

feel free to tag me in any post where this ever happens through the process we discussed above (a scientist gets elected to an important position, lands on the appropriations committee, prevents a decline in science funding OR introduces a pro-science bill that passes and wouldn't have passed except for his presence OR etc etc etc

meanwhile t-cells

ButterflyEffect  ·  725 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Howard Dean was a Doctor.

Bill Frist was a Physician and Majority Leader.

Scientists? Close. I see your point with anti-intellectualism in politics, but your attitude towards this topic is shit.

ThatFanficGuy  ·  724 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    but your attitude towards this topic is shit.

Dude, what the hell? Why are you turning it into a Reddit thread all of a sudden?

ButterflyEffect  ·  724 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Because it a silo'd, defeatist attitude and flag has repeatedly shown no interest in having real conversations on this place as of late. Just blasting a line or three of snark and moving on.

To each their own.

ThatFanficGuy  ·  724 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm not judging you for being disappointed in flags. What bothers me is that you turn a solid reason for being disappointed into "your attitude is shit" which promotes nothing but reciprocal aggression because it's mere trashtalk, and this isn't the place for that.

ButterflyEffect  ·  724 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Because it offers no possible solution, no support or encouragement, no real reasoning, it's just a "fuck you" in a few more words than that. Sorry I was much more up front with what I was trying to say?

ThatFanficGuy  ·  724 days ago  ·  link  ·  

If it's truly such a dreadful comment, I don't know why you'd follow its example.

flagamuffin  ·  725 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    but your attitude towards this topic is shit

much appreciated

bfv  ·  725 days ago  ·  link  ·  

But let's not have more like Bill Frist. One Bill Frist was enough.

kleinbl00  ·  724 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Some of the most important scientists you've ever heard of, you've heard of because of their contributions to public policy.

- Leo Szilard got Einstein to talk to Roosevelt, jump started the Manhattan Project and had a Red Phone installed in the White House to talk to the Kremlin. He was also responsible for conceptualizing the chain reaction and held, with Enrico Fermi, the first patent for a nuclear reactor.

- Vannevar Bush invented the analog computer while he was busy starting up a little company called Raytheon while not busy teaching at MIT. Then WWII happened and he took some time off to head the office of strategic research and development, managing all miitary invention and therefore being indirectly responsible for radar, plastics, and atomic weaponry. He pretty much conceived of computers and the Internet in 1945 while busy heading what would become NASA.

- Steven Chu has a nobel prize in physics for trapping atoms with lasers and also was the guy who got Obama to invest in solar power.

"Doing science" means "getting science into the hands of society" and while some scientists suck at doing stuff with people, some rawk at it. My best friend's dad taught theoretical physics at Columbia. Was a big-time investigator. Then he got pissed off at environmental stuff back in the '70s and organized a protest against a coal plant. Then he discovered he had a knack for organization and making technical issues less technical. He was one of the top 3 guys at the SSC, the top guy at LIGO and is currently the top guy at the Thirty Meter Telescope.

Let's say you want to study gravity waves. You need to convince someone to spend $620m to let you do so. First of all, you're not doing it alone. Second of all, there's gonna be someone between you and the politicians.

We're now in a place where the politicians are actively anti-science. Might as well supplant their asses.

ThatFanficGuy  ·  725 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Not all scientists are going to run for office: only some of them, a small number compared to the scientific apparatus that the US bolsters if my understanding of the size of the Congress is anywhere near correct. Having even a few who'd advocate the interests of one of the most essential activities of humanity - scientific research - can't do any harm and will most likely improve the situation.