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Mr_Scythe  ·  958 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Pubski: May 4, 2016

This seems like a good place to ask this...

All my life, I've never liked rap music or hiphop, but I've still always wondered where and when it originated from. All I know is that I wasn't made to long ago, and I'm sure there is multiple people here who were living when it came out. I know, I know, your probably asking, why can't he just look it up on Wikipedia... Jeez...

I think it would be nice to hear a first person impression of when it came out.

_refugee_  ·  958 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Rap became a recorded thing in the early '80s. There are 3 potential "first recorded rap songs," I prefer the belief that Sugarhill Gang's Rapper's Delight is the 'true first.' So, rap is probably older than maybe you think. (It's certainly older than I thought at first.)

I wasn't around when it came out, so I can't give you a first hand impression, but my understanding is that rap existed as a form of expression especially in urban (city) communities long before it was recorded - i.e., that while Rapper's Delight was at least among the first, if not the first, rap song recorded and released for popular consumption, the idea of rap and rapping was not new to listeners when the single was released in 1979.

Hip-hop, a more broad category of music which I believe can be taken to include "rap" as a subgenre, I believe descended/is most closely related to R&B (rhythm and blues), which in turn is a descendent of the jazz of the 1920s and 1930s.

I bet that you and I would both love to hear, maybe, determinedkid weigh in on this, as I'm pretty sure he knows way more about ran and hip-hop and its evolution than I do, although he wasn't there in 1979 either. nowaypablo may have something valid to throw in too, not sure ;)

Shoutout: if you haven't, consider checking out the tag #hiphophubski .

Side note, my brother has Rapper's Delight on LP, and it's one of the records I'm most jealous of him for possessing.

bfv  ·  958 days ago  ·  link  ·  
nowaypablo  ·  958 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I see rap as kind of an inevitable evolution of blues actually, but hiphop as a whole is absolutely thanks to jazz. Also, it's arguable but you can thank Miles Davis for bridging a coherent gap between jazz and hiphop with the album Doo-Bop, although he died before it was finished and the guy rapping ruined it a little lol

rezzeJ  ·  957 days ago  ·  link  ·  

This one's got to be up there as well in regards to bridging that gap:

    ... Jazz samples have also had a large role in hip-hop, but the idea of rapping over actual live jazz wasn't truly fully realized until Gang Starr MC Guru created and released the first in his Jazzmatazz series in 1993, with guest musicians who included saxophonist Branford Marsalis (who had previously collaborated with DJ Premier and Guru for the track "Jazz Thing" on the Mo' Better Blues soundtrack), trumpeter Donald Byrd, vibraphonist Roy Ayers, guitarist Ronny Jordan, and keyboardist Lonnie Liston Smith, as well as vocalist N'Dea Davenport (also of the acid jazz group the Brand New Heavies) and French rapper MC Solaar. "