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Hopefully the point will be moot in the near future. If I had a chance to publish a paper in Nature or Science, I'd probably go for it (because I'm vain, but so is everyone else). Other than that, I don't think I'm going to publish anything that isn't open access going forward. It's a touch more expensive, but worth it, IMO.
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ChristianBale · 926 days ago · link ·
In my experience open access is considerably more expensive. Maybe it depends on the field and the journal but places like PLOS often quote something upwards of $3,000 for publishing, and closed-access(?) journals are, ya know, usually free to submit and publish. I could be wrong about that though, and I do know that many open access journals and universities offer price reductions and financial support for cash-strapped scientists. Not only to account for the fact that there's still a strong negative bias towards open-access journals in many scientific communities. A lot of (older) researchers still view open-access as a "pay to publish" sort of deal. I think that'll change over time, and a lot of younger researchers seem much more receptive to open access publishing, but it's hard to convince up and coming researchers to use open access journals if they know that it's going to negatively bias the senior researchers in their field.
I'd say the same, but I have yet to have the discussion with my current adviser about open access / bioarxiv journals. I was wondering this morning about Science / Nature publications though. Most universities like to put out press releases / videos on paper publication, but without a clear date, it gets more wuzzy. Do you start promoting your researcher's work as soon as it's deposited on arxiv? After the reviewers okay it? Once the journal has formatted it and redone your figures in illustrator? It's honestly a sort of stupid concern, but one of yet a number of ways in which scientists would have to adapt to and agree upon if this was truly the One True Way forward.
am_Unition · 930 days ago · link ·
Yeah, and apparently it's even a nightmare to legitimately work with these large companies to renew licensing and whatnot on an institutional level. Elsevier is the worst, I've heard. So what are we losing if we bypass the current structures of publishing? The only real issue that I can find is losing some standardized peer-review processes, which could then be reinstated through a peer-to-peer network. This needs more discussion in academia. We also need to open the door for animated media (even models, author willing) to be bundled with a publishing. Arxiv is great, but it places the burden of scrutiny too firmly on the reader, and thus needs tweaking before it's ready for public consumption, which is requisite for what I would call "publishing". Lotta bunk on Arxiv.
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Since I'm pretty much a complete newbie to this, would you mind further elaborating on problems with arXiv? To my knowledge it has (had?) some sort of a vouching system and requires (required?) at the very least non-student .edu email address. While I'm not so naïve to think that this would prohibit anyone from cheating (or that I am unaware of stuff like this golden nanorods fiasco)… is there any way to add peer-review to this service?
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am_Unition · 930 days ago · link ·
At a glance: A moderation team and "endorsements" are great, but for most of the journals that these large distributors operate, there exists a system. The author submits an article, and several well-known folks in the field review it extensively (hopefully). In almost all cases, the reviewers are payed to give constructive criticism. Occasionally they will even recommend that the article undergo major revision before publishing. Either way, the current methodology has a bureaucracy that ties into major publishing firms. This made more sense when we only had physically printed paper to distribute articles, but I think a lot of scientists are looking to cut out as many middlemen as possible, so long as the legitimacy (or apparent legitimacy) of their work is maintained. So now, open access journals exist, such that instead of incurring cost to the reader, the author pays for the peer review system with the hope of increased distribution, as there is no longer a paywall to read their results. But (b_b touched on this) how do we remove the prestige of saying "I'm up to 3 articles in Geophysical Review Letters!" (or whatever)? Some journals have career-making reputations. I think it will take time, but the prestige will see redistribution. This article is three years old (and more than a bit ironic), but if you really want to dig deeper, it's got the nitty gritty. Edit: Also, the golden nanorods thing wasn't necessarily a case of poor peer review, it was a case of complete data falsification. You can't immediately protect against things of this nature, but reproducibility will eventually out the liars. Well, the experimentalists, at least. Theorists are another story. Edit2: Good peer review will probably never be free.While the arXiv does contain some dubious e-prints, such as those claiming to refute famous theorems or proving famous conjectures such as Fermat's last theorem using only high-school mathematics, they are "surprisingly rare".[21][better source needed]