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kleinbl00  ·  3321 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: How the question "Where are you from?" comes with baggage for immigrants and POC

Polite disagreement is the entire point of discussion, as far as I'm concerned. By all means, please continue to disagree.

Here's the thing: the last time I asked someone where they were from, I was in college, they had an extremely thick accent, and they were taking notes in something that looked like Amharic, but wasn't. That was when I found out that one side of the room wasn't talking to the other because they were literally at war. Somewhat awkward.

And you're right - the Asian kids in the class didn't care. None of us did, really. Beyond frat and non-frat it simply wasn't an issue. But then I come down to LA and everybody cares.

And here's where I take issue with the article: it's a bunch of Facebook quotes informing me that everything I've ever done is wrong and that there's a right way and a wrong way to ask the same question and minorities are allowed to be offended by me if I use the wrong syntax.

    I would prefer, however, being asked more specific questions—where did you grow up? Were you born there? Do your parents still live there? Where did you live before you moved here? These queries are more transparent to me, and permit me to give more concise, nuanced answers.

Fuck that. If you want to give a specific answer, give a specific answer. Don't lay out a mental minefield for me such that you can choose to be offended no matter what I do.





kingmudsy  ·  3321 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Honestly, as long as we've established that I'm not saying we should ignore ethnicity (and that I don't believe the article does, either), I'm fine with us disagreeing on this point.

It might be a hassle, but I know it's something that's important to people I care about, so I'm going to change my behavior to make them more comfortable. The Facebook posts, to me, felt like people expressing how they felt in response to something I (or others) might do, and I don't want to invalidate their opinions because they feel like a personal attack against me.

None of the social media posts (and I only casually looked through them again, so I'm probably wrong) were talking directly about white people anyways. The whole crux of the issue is summarized in this post, which ties into your comment here. Nobody is saying not to look for common ground (which I don't think is the goal people usually have when asking this question), but to use more direct questions that people might be more comfortable with.

And really, at the end of the day, I don't really care what you do. People I love care about this, so I choose to care about it as well. I honestly thought that the hubski crowd would like the article more, but at the very least I'm glad that it's caused this discussion.

And to be clear, because I felt like my earlier comment came off as a little bit whiny, I do enjoy your input on my posts, and your presence on hubski as a whole. I don't usually respond to your comments, since I don't usually have as much free time as I've used on this thread, but I do read them all, and I'm glad they're there.

kleinbl00  ·  3321 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Here's the difference:

    It might be a hassle, but I know it's something that's important to people I care about, so I'm going to change my behavior to make them more comfortable.

Your entrance to this subject was through people you care about, expressing an opinion about something that mattered to them. My entrance to this subject was the fact that as a straight white male, the Internet is either telling me I'm wrong about something or reinforcing the fact that I'm god's gift to this earth and all other races, creeds, and genders must bow before me. As the latter position can be dismissed (with prejudice) by inspection, the former position becomes all the more annoying.

I can't help but notice, however, that every time the internet tells white people they're wrong, White People on the Internet get a little more strident and unbearable, myself included. And I'm pretty sure it isn't good for harmony.