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bioemerl  ·  3127 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: The Free Market: It's Like Uber, But for Everything

The free market is an interesting thing.

I think the best system is a government monitored market, where companies are not allowed to do certain things, but outside of that, free to do anything. I should be free to buy things not promoted by the FDA, the EPA, or similar, so long as I am either charged a whole lot of money to pay for pollution cleanup, or I am seeing a "NOT APPROVED" label on products in big red letters.

Same goes for UBER. They should exist, they shouldn't be regulated, but people should have a right to know the risks of the business. That they aren't protected by any sorts of laws, and that these drivers are not approved.

It's why I can say I tend to lean libertarian, without falling to the same "trap" most libertarians fall into. I am not anti-government, anti-regulation, but I am against restrictions of freedom. Carbon taxes vs carbon taxes. Government assurances of safety rather than government enforcement of safety.

Would this mean the poor would buy unregulated products more often? Yes. However, they will get cheaper access to things, freeing up some of their money, and they will be well aware of what choices they are making. Better they have the choice, rather than to have no choice at all.

Would it mean people will die, killed of unregulated products? Yes. But it will mean they saw the warnings, and paid the extra money from extra taxes or regulations to ensure their unhealthy actions didn't hurt the medical system.

I suppose my views tend more to the "classical liberal" viewpoint, where the ultimate goal is for government-created freedoms and ensured markets. However, I don't think the modern idea of "liberal" supports that, although they do fairly well in the US. I'm a huge fan of Obama's actions, for example, especially his stance on the TPP.





fudog  ·  3124 days ago  ·  link  ·  

fake eggs

gutter oil

I don't want any shady food like this on shelves at all, myself, regardless of labelling.

bioemerl  ·  3124 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I did not promote or state that products like these should be allowed.

dublinben  ·  3127 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    they will be well aware of what choices they are making

How? Without government mandated labeling standards, companies would hide relevant information.

    But it will mean they saw the warnings

What warnings? Government mandated warnings, like on tobacco or alcohol products? Government mandated efficiency ratings on vehicles and appliances? Government mandated lists of side-effects on pharmaceuticals?

    especially his stance on the TPP

This does not follow at all. The TPP does not advance free markets or free trade. It exports US-style industrial protectionism, and denies sovereign states the ability to enact basic consumer protections.

bioemerl  ·  3126 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Government mandated labels are what I am referring to. Force there to be those rather than ban the product.

    This does not follow at all. The TPP does not advance free markets or free trade. It exports US-style industrial protectionism, and denies sovereign states the ability to enact basic consumer protections.

I'd rather hear what it does rather than abstracted terms for what it does, because I don't believe you.

dublinben  ·  3126 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I wish I could provide you with citations, but I can't. The actual text of the trade agreement is confidential, and the deliberations have been kept hidden from public scrutiny. The little that we do know has come from partial copies leaked by wikileaks and others.

Wintermute  ·  3126 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but surely you could at least provide sources based on the leaked versions?

bioemerl  ·  3126 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    The actual text of the trade agreement is confidential, and the deliberations have been kept hidden from public scrutiny.

So why in the world are you able to tell me that it "harms national sovereignty" if you don't even know what the bill says?

nowaypablo  ·  3127 days ago  ·  link  ·  

This is a really interesting stance!

    Carbon taxes vs carbon taxes.

What do you mean by that?

bioemerl  ·  3127 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Whoops, meant carbon rate limits, as in "no more than X emissions" vs "you pay X dollars per ton"

Will doing that pass the bill onto the customer? Yes.

That's the point, we should pay for those emissions.