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Killerhurtz  ·  3121 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: When White Poets Pretend to be Asian

It goes both ways, buddy. You can't expect anyone to think you matter when you can't make other people matter.

Also, funnily enough - how good is white privilege if he needed to use the visibility privilege of a minority to publish?

Seriously - this is less of a race issue than it is an issue of terrible publishing practices.

I'd be completely down with you if this were a post about how cultural differences negatively affected the african-american ghettos (even though I personally disagree with a lot of the ghetto culture). I'd be down with you if the post was about American consumerism being driven by sweatshops in oriental countries. Hell, I'd be right down there with you on the white privilege if this post was about American obesity. But no - this is just a single guy taking an identity that's not his to promote himself. As it stands, he's the one who ACTUALLY didn't have the privilege.

Equality works both ways. Just like on the Internet some people pretend to be a white cis male to avoid unsavory discussions, he used an asian female persona to increase visibility because people like YOU want these people to have increased visibility.

But if you're going to put under the "white cis patriarchy" umbrella everything that a white man does, I'm not going to promote your point of view. You're not entitled to anything.

I find it especially sad considering how you could have made a point about how, as your first paragraph seemed to steer towards, how nationality, sexual identity and all of these traits shouldn't matter in publications unless relevant. And yet it does, simply because some groups have worked to increase the visibility of some other groups. You've made a weapon out of minorities' identities - don't complain when it's used against you, and instead fight for true equality for all. Everyone has their issues, no matter how privileged they may seem - and claiming anything else is completely blind - especially considering that, in all technicalities, the most privileged people in the world are not caucasian.





_refugee_  ·  3121 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Is a poem being accepted for publication because you are believed to be a minority really, in any way, an advantage? A privilege?

Or is it an insult, which this man managed to take advantage of?

user-inactivated  ·  3121 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    (even though I personally disagree with a lot of the ghetto culture)

REF STOP IT'S NOT WORTH IT.

Meriadoc  ·  3121 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It's really amazing the number of people I've muted over the summer. I used to be so careful with it. Now it's me singing "fuck ooooooooff!" as soon as I get a whiff they're they're gonna go off about ghetto culture and "militative minorities" at some point in the future.

user-inactivated  ·  3121 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah, there's not room for a trigger finger that isn't itchy, not anymore, lol. "Militant Minorities" is actually one of my new favorites. Like, straight up that is some Bill o'Rilley levels of bigot, bruh.

arguewithatree  ·  3121 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I just... Wow... Right??

user-inactivated  ·  3121 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah I went full Civ Ghandi and swung around from anger to complete calm again. Just too satirical for my taste, not enough ignorance. I guess actual full-blown racism is easier to get over, lol.

Killerhurtz  ·  3121 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yes, yes it is. And this man proves it - what if, instead of poems, it was a documentary about some point of view, or some other controversial work? Or even propaganda? He would get visibility while his "normal self" would not.

Visibility is powerful and nothing you can say can change that. And if you honestly believe that having higher visibility is an insult... I have nothing to say to this much delusion. Especially considering it wasn't SPONTANEOUS attention - as I said, people like you WORKED, FOUGHT for this much visibility. So does that mean you fought to insult yourself?

_refugee_  ·  3121 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    He would get visibility while his "normal self" would not.

Well, yes, and if you're a member of the Jersey Shore cast, then that'll be enough for you.

    Visibility is powerful and nothing you can say can change that.

Sure. But the visibility of a porn star is not the visibility of a politician? Would one want the other's? There's this thing called "reputational risk" that adults - I mean, sorry - business owners and people who work in businesses are aware of. It's the cost of lost business that negative publicivity can create. Are you saying visibility can't create negative publicity? All visibility is good? Tell that to Subway's Jared.

No woman or minority fights for the 'privilege' that lesser quality work will be lauded over better product simply for the country of the issuer's origin.

#fuckingrowupmang

Killerhurtz  ·  3121 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Sure. But the visibility of a porn star is not the visibility of a politician?

Pornhub and Brazzers disagree.

Also, all visibility that's not critically bad is good. Jared cost Subway some reptutation. Rockstar paid money for GTA to have "bad visibility" and it increased sales.

And no, they're not - at least most of them - but they ARE, however, try to pass off as incredibly discriminated against and victimized most of the time.