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kleinbl00  ·  3460 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: America's struggle

There's a word you used that TNG didn't use that changes the entire character of this discussion. Do you know what it is?

    However, I feel it is off putting to freckleds (or any favoriable skin type) to say they were just lucky.

"Just" lucky implies that the freckled kids have no innate skill or talent of their own. "Just" lucky implies that they do not face hardships. The only person implying this is you - and this is part of the problem.

A person can be lucky without being just lucky, and a person can acknowledge unfairness without chalking everything up to justice or the lack thereof.





_refugee_  ·  3460 days ago  ·  link  ·  

"just" and "only" - two words I try to delete from my writing whenever I see them unless they truly cannot be done without. In cahoots with "merely," and so on. (Not at kb, but at readership: if you care about writing, go at these words like they are evil.)

They are words that take the power out of statements. Here they take power away from the subject, I think.

They are dismissive and minimizing words, often used to minimize the impact of potentially offensive or upsetting comments, or to downplay the actual message a speaker is trying to convey.

I think about "just" and "only" a lot. I delete them at least as frequently.

LA LA LA I AM WRITING THINGS TODAY CLEARLY

horrorvacui  ·  3459 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Thanks, I'm not a native English speaker but I'm trying my best. Any other problems? I'd love to improve my writing and speaking.

humanodon  ·  3459 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Hi, I actually teach ESL for a living and until you said something, I wouldn't have known that English is your second language. At the advanced level, "just" and "only" are words that native English speakers will capitalize on for sure in the context of an involved debate or argument.

You might consider brushing up of synonyms, antonyms and the degree of strength that these offer. For example, "anger" has synonyms like "irritation" and "fury" which are very different from one another. Similarly, qualifiers like "just" "only" and "in general" can also change the tone of what you say.

horrorvacui  ·  3459 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I have trouble with things like synonyms so I try to make use of a thersaurus. I've not considered the strenght of words. That seems inspiring.

I also think non native speakers can actually become advantaged when it comes to testing on English. I'm told a lot of natives don't touch the basics for a while so it seems I did better than a lot in the standardized testing of English simply because it is fresh in my mind. If you hear me speak though my minor accent betrays that I wasn't born here.

That said, I struggle with idioms and colloquial expressions. I remember being confused with "pulling your leg". Living in the South East for a time, there is a lot of idioms and expressions. Seems like most of what southerners say is idioms that make no sense to non native speakers and probably even Northerners. I also think it helps that US movies are so prolific and immitation goes a long ways. Just don't trust the depictions of southerners. The sound is way off and over dumbified.

Also, I started watching a lot of UK tv shows. It seems to help me since they seem to have a wider use of vocabulary. They also seem to have less idioms.

humanodon  ·  3459 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yes, this is where English gets really hard (or any language for that matter). It takes a great deal of self-awareness and personal humility to master a language, because often we have to make mistakes on our own. In our first language, we have the luxury of being children and of being surrounded by people who will guide us to speaking that language "properly". As adults, we are expected to be much more capable and fairly or unfairly, that puts adult language learners in an awkward position.

All of that said, the more you engage with native speakers, the more you can start to notice patterns and connections. You absolutely did the right thing by letting people know that English isn't your first language. In my classes, I absolutely encourage students to engage in discourse and argument, but also to qualify their statements with things like, "In Spanish, this word has a negative connotation and that's not what I mean to express, but I don't have the language to say exactly what I want to, in English. The idea is like . . . " and again, that takes a lot of humility and strength to do.

Anyway, you express yourself pretty well. I agree whole-heartedly that native speakers do not know as much about grammar as English language learners do. At the end of the day though, language is one facet of good communication skills. Establishing rapport and engaging with others is really what the site is all about.

humanodon  ·  3459 days ago  ·  link  ·  
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