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kleinbl00  ·  3323 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Microsoft Is Phasing Out Internet Explorer

They keep fucking up, though. Like killing sales and content for lagging XBone sales. Like chasing iPad sales at any cost despite the fact that everyone who wants a tablet already has one. You can't lay that at the feet of Ballmer, much as we may want to.

My understanding of Microsoft is that they exist in a business world where all their installs are going to be their installs and they sell seats, not software. If you've got a 2500-person organization, you can count on a Windows license, an Office license, an Outlook license and an Access license for every single seat. Why, then, chase individual end users? Where things start to crumble is where organizations decide they don't want their own enterprise clouds, they'd like it over on the net somewhere that someone else has to chase five nines uptime. As soon as a critical mass starts to do that, all of a sudden your suite has to compete.

I'll say this: I've been using OneDrive or whatever Microsoft calls it lately 'cuz one of my wife's friends, whose husband is a MicroSerf, did some stuff in it. It works great. I have no complaints about it. Windows 8? Yeesh what a piece of shit. I get mad enough at OS X but then I contemplate the alternatives and holy cow I don't miss Windows.





mk  ·  3323 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm actually doing ok with Windows 7. I've tried 8 and it's hellish. I might have moved to Ubuntu completely if it weren't for a few programs and GIMP being so much worse than Photoshop. I'm going to give it another shot with my current Lenovo after I upgrade.

I just can't do Mac. I don't enjoy how they hide complexity to such an extent that it often requires more effort to get something done.

I do think MS is making the right move putting Office on iProducts. thenewgreen saw a Bing car the other day, capturing street view data. I had no idea. That also looks like a positive.

kleinbl00  ·  3323 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That's what keeps me out of Linux: the other software. I mean, OS X is free. The software I run on OS X is, like, nine grand.

I got into mac because the PCs I built kept cooking their CPUs, despite having no overclocking and full BIOS monitoring. So I said "fuck it I'm not dealing with this" and tried to buy a 5-year-old Bondi Blue iMac for $175. The used store talked me up to a $275 iMac G3 because "it could run OS X, which is pretty much Unix." So I went to Best Buy and discovered that you can enable Right Click and that once you had a command prompt, it was like a real operating system.

'cuz that's the thing: you can do anything you need to do from the command prompt, which means you can hack OS X to the point where it's usable. The last on-board program I got rid of was Address Book. I now use entirely third party. I've been beta-testing for these guys for ten years now.

Somewhere on here veen linked to an article of why Apple was totally fucked with Maps because the only way you get decent data is by putting in the work and Google put in the work ten years ahead of everyone else. Which means either you sink mad man-hours into it or you acknowledge that you're always gonna be behind. I'll say this: the obliques you get with Bing's birds eye views are dope. But the SAR data in the portable versions of Earth kicks the shit out of Bing & Apple.

user-inactivated  ·  3322 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    That's what keeps me out of Linux: the other software. I mean, OS X is free. The software I run on OS X is, like, nine grand.

The free software ecosystem has always had a problem with the other software for anyone who isn't a programmer. No one tries to sell programmers software anymore, because we'll do it better for free. It's when we try to make software for people who aren't us that we can't quite manage it.

We use OsX at work, because back in 2000 supporting non-technical staff on linux was a pain in the ass and the guys who were around back then don't want to try that again. I loath and despise OsX, but except for the desktop environment I can fix the things that annoy me eventually.

mk  ·  3322 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I am of the opinion that there is a solid business to be made by closing down the best of the currently available free software and maintaining and continuing to develop a OS/software package under a new commercial brand. There are a lot of people that would make the move to a suite that was well-supported and occupied the middle ground between Windows or Mac, and rolling your own with linux.

thundara  ·  3322 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You'd run into a problem with GPL pretty quickly with that plan

mk  ·  3322 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Perhaps. But I suspect there are probably ways to build a open/closed hybrid that would make forks either too daunting, or legally non-distributable.

I'm not arguing it is a plan with noble roots.

thundara  ·  3322 days ago  ·  link  ·  

SteamOS might fit your bill, it's a proprietary wrapper on top of the linux kernel, but it fills a limited domain of needs and I don't know how much it forked from other projects.

user-inactivated  ·  3322 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I don't think so. On the one hand all the previous releases would still be free, and the project you're shutting down to take commercial would surely get forked, if only out of spite. On the other there used to be many commercial unixes, and they're all dead now. Competing with free and equivalent doesn't work.

thundara  ·  3322 days ago  ·  link  ·  

RHEL is still alive and well, support and stability sells well to some markets

user-inactivated  ·  3322 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah, but Red Hat is selling (support for) free software, not taking it proprietary. They're not competing with free linuxes, they're adding value in the form of support, which is a useful thing if you're in corporate shop and need to cover your ass. "Commercial" was the wrong word, I meant Solaris, Irix and friends.

mk  ·  3322 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The intention wouldn't be to release the package as is, but to first overhaul them to take out finicky parts, and to unify them under one design aesthetic. From the initiation of development, the source code would be locked down, and there would exist no free equivalent. Over time, the disparities would grow.

elizabeth  ·  3323 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I don't enjoy how they hide complexity to such an extent that it often requires more effort to get something done

Pirating softwares is suuuuch a pain on Mac. They really hide the complexity and getting around it is haaard. Not really a legitimate complaint tho because it's not like they have to account for people pirating stuff then they build their OS.

thenewgreen  ·  3323 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It was surprising to see. I've seen the Google cars before, but I definitely didn't expect to see a Bing car. Here's the video, it's hard to make out the name on the side, but it was most certainly Bing.

elizabeth  ·  3323 days ago  ·  link  ·  

>See address of an event on facebook

>Click on"view map"

>Get redirected to Bing maps

>Look around for a couple seconds and try to figure it out

>Give up

>Copy-paste address into google maps

>Find my way to the event

Happens to me every damn time. They have a looong way to go before becoming legitimate competitors.

thenewgreen  ·  3323 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Have you ever tried using Bing maps? Is it noticeably worse or are you just really used to and comfortable with Googles UI?