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mk  ·  245 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Everything You Know About Obesity is Wrong

We should tax processed high calorie/low nutrition foods, then use that revenue to subsidize the opposite. It's a public health issue. Behavior isn't the cause of the increase in obesity and it isn't the solution.

_refugee_  ·  244 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yours is one of the shorter comments here, but I find it also one of the most relevatory in that I never thought of/about this before, and now that I do I wholeheartedly agree with it. Thanks for chiming in.

Harbingar  ·  219 days ago  ·  link  ·  

People who compete in strength sports NEED high caloric foods, especially since a lot of us have a high metabolism, taxing high caloric foods is not only retarded, but it's going to tax athletes who NEED lots of calories to perform at their best

mk  ·  219 days ago  ·  link  ·  

High calorie/low nutrition, not just high calorie. IMO subsidizing it is retarded, which is what we do now. We pay for it again in healthcare costs. Also, athletes will be fine.

ButterflyEffect  ·  219 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Athletes who need high caloric foods are able to do so just fine without stuffing their bodies with junk food that’s low in nutrition (source: anecdotal from my personal experiences and all my friends and acquaintances who are ultra runners, Ironman athletes, kayakers, etc etc.)

Second, that’s such a small portion of the population that it’s no reason not to tax food that is objectively mediocre for a person.

katakowsj  ·  236 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Then we're conceding people aren't able to choose healthy foods and portion sizes on their own?

HeroicGomez  ·  244 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Seattle attempted this to some extent. Even implemented perfectly (which Seattle's law wasn't), it doesn't really work, and ultimately such a move is little more than a topical money grab.

_refugee_  ·  244 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The problem with this happening at all in the US:

The main issue I see here is that cheap corn and cheap soy are driving the flood of ultra processed and calorie dense, designed-to-be-delectable food into the US market.

Cheap corn and cheap soy are cheap because they're subsidized by the gov't.

For the gov't to start taxing those products, it would be counterintuitive. For the gov't to stop subsidizing those products, farmers would revolt. Or at least get poorer than they already are (except for the factory farms). The factory farms exist because people realized they could grow mass products including corn and soybeans and snatched up all the land they could to mass produce and mass process monocultures. Like corn and soy.

If you're a small farmer in the farming cycle you're caught in the farming cycle which is pushed in no small part by gov't subsidy. You're broke, forced to buy seed that's expensive and can't be saved, forced to grow certain crops because that's what guarantees at least some money, and once the money finally comes in from sales and the gov't you have to buy a new round of seed again.

It's simply not logical for the gov't, with its left hand, to offer subsidies for crops which are used to fuel terrible food, then turn and with the right hand tax the products of those crops and drive down demand/attempt to limit consumers. Gov't needs us to eat as much corn and soy as possible. Every year US produces huge huge surpluses which is how we figured out how to make so much terrible stuff like HFCS in the first place.

The gov't is effectively already subsidizing terrible food and nutrition available en masse to make gen pop obese. They can't choose to make the population healthier with health taxes when they've already chosen to make the population engorged.

kleinbl00  ·  244 days ago  ·  link  ·  

France has had a calorie tax since 2011. Hungary since 2012. Over 9 million Americans live under a calorie tax right now. Not a single nation, city or municipality has repealed a calorie tax and the principle result has been a 15-20% decline in the consumption of sugary beverages.

HeroicGomez  ·  239 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Their citizens also have far less disposable income, because European socialism. So of course a consumption tax would work effectively there.

_refugee_  ·  244 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Ah! The soda taxes! I forgot about those.