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OftenBen  ·  3544 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Too Many People in Jail? Abolish Bail.

So, haven't read the article yet, but I have a question.

Why would you ever put a non-violent criminal behind bars?





coffeesp00ns  ·  3543 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You and I may not agree with them, but there are arguments to be made for isolation as a form of punishment. If you go through my comment history you'll see some of my opinions on Jail and, more importantly, what I think of how society treats ex-convicts.

As I implied, I don't agree with it, but that doesn't make it necessarily less valid. Many of these broad issues don't really have "Right" answers, they just have people on both sides who think they're right.

OftenBen  ·  3541 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    there are arguments to be made for isolation as a form of punishment.

I completely understand that bit. I definitely think that we need some form of confinement for those animals that happen to have human shape. But we have all kinds of punishments to use, and the only good argument I can see for putting someone in a cage is if they pose direct physical harm to others.

coffeesp00ns  ·  3541 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    the only good argument I can see

Me too. However we have to remember that there are other people who don't feel that way, and that their arguments are not necessarily less valid than ours.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't challenge those ideas and arguments, but we also need to be willing to be proven wrong too.

OftenBen  ·  3541 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    However we have to remember that there are other people who don't feel that way, and that their arguments are not necessarily less valid than ours.

    not necessarily less valid than ours.

I hope to someday achieve the zen-like tolerance you exemplify.

coffeesp00ns  ·  3541 days ago  ·  link  ·  
OftenBen  ·  3541 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Da-..... ng. Didn't know that was a thing. Sounds like a better religion than any I can think of except maybe Jainism.

ixnar  ·  3542 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Except these are people who have not been convicted. In other words, innocent. Unless they pose a risk to others of course

coffeesp00ns  ·  3542 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Oh of course, The backlog in New York courts is currently appalling. However, I was talking to OftenBen about the broader arguments of punishment, which they alluded to with their question.

user-inactivated  ·  3540 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think that is was supposed to be more humane than chopping off hands and branding faces with marks of punishment (although twitter seems to have solved our desire to instill fear of permanent shame).

The idea of the panopticon is not just for oblique references to hipster philosophers cum intellectuals deriding the Man, man.

am_Unition  ·  3544 days ago  ·  link  ·  

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