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thenewgreen  ·  4182 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Well Said George

    bloated union benefits......most of which, these days, were hippies from a prior generation who couldn't make a business run successfully if they had to and have to rely on "tenur
-This coming from a guy that, according to your bio, has spent 26 years in the auto industry. I hear that industry has some union representation. But I'm sure over those 26 years you fought tooth and nail to ensure that those nasty unions didn't allow for above market pay or exorbitant pensions. Also, what business of your own have you successfully run? Seems to me you somewhat fit the bill of that which you claim to abhor.

Also, most liberals know that they aren't the center of the universe, something that conservative christians had a hard time adopting to. Hell, some still think the earth is less than 6000 years old. Imagine that?





hootsbox  ·  4170 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yes they do, and they have wrecked many of the domestic auto companies! Why do you think Toyota, Honda, Daimler-Benz, BMW, Hyundai-Kia, and the likes built their plants in non-union, right to work states....hmmmm! Talk about outdated, arcane work rules and benefits agreements. Only through declaring bankruptcy are the domestic auto companies, and many municipalities, able to escape the overwhelming, unrealistic burden of certain union entities. I am NOT against Unions, just Union abuses and the corrupt politics of giving money to candidates, getting them elected, and then making agreements with those same people who are beholden to you (it works with both parties by the way and it is NOT the RIGHT way to represent your entire constituency!). I am for collective "bargaining" but not for "collective bludgeoning"! It was these issues, not the lack of producing the abject failure, "The VOLT", which caused the predicament of the domestic auto makers.

_refugee_  ·  4181 days ago  ·  link  ·  

thenewgreen I assume you shared this because you wanted some other people to weigh in on this rant, or something? I wish I could propose another community tag; #notworthyourtime

hootsbox  ·  4170 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Of course!

thenewgreen  ·  4181 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You assume correctly.

_refugee_  ·  4181 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I find it, frankly, barely coherent.

And would like to point out:

> most of which, these days, were hippies from a prior generation who couldn't make a business run successfully if they had to and

Most people these days aren't capable of running a business successfully, or at least their jobs don't entail that. It's hardly a requirement for being a successful or contributing member of society. Just because someone couldn't make a business run successfully doesn't mean they can't educate someone successfully.

hootsbox  ·  4168 days ago  ·  link  ·  

True, but in too many cases, they rail against the "evils" of the capitalistic society (not all - I had great professors in college, but I investigated them to make sure they were educators, and not ideologues whose main interest was to educate YOU in the way THEY saw the world; there are tons of You Tube clips and recordings of such "educational rants" by professors in higher institutions of "learning" (did I say learning out loud - it must have been a faux pas!).

thenewgreen  ·  4180 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It's definitely all over the map.