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neptath  ·  4345 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Who Suffered Most? A Contest for the Tact-Free - NYTimes.com

It's a sad day when the common courtesy of expressing respect is so notable it gets an article in a leading national paper.





lil  ·  4345 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    the common courtesy of expressing respect is so notable it gets an article in a leading national paper.
I guess it is a sad day then. The editors must have also been irked at people's inability to listen with empathy to another person's difficulties. I find real listening, esp. to difficulties, to be rare and I cherish those few friends of mine who leave me feeling heard and understood. I hope they feel heard and understood as well. What is the listening landscape in your world neptath?
neptath  ·  4345 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    What is the listening landscape in your world neptath?

Fortunately, I have not had much tragedy in my life as of late, but I'll draw on what little recent experience I've had: it's much the same as it appears to be in yours; that is, generally lacking. Many people are unable to even maintain eye contact, let alone resist the urge to check their phone or drag another into the conversation in the hopse that they (or I) will change the subject. The few who atually are willing to listen patiently, respectfully, and sympathetically are dearly valued.

lil  ·  4345 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I have found hubski, for the most part, to be a relatively open-hearted listening environment. The other day, I asked a question, buried in a longer response. My question could have been taken as a statement, but it was a question and b_b responded. That was cool. People can also not "listen" when reading for the same reason they do not listen in a face-to-face conversation. (Sounds like an askhubski topic). Perhaps given the text-based format, serious contributors train themselves to read carefully (if it's a topic they are interested in).

b_b  ·  4345 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Perhaps given the text-based format, serious contributors train themselves to read carefully (if it's a topic they are interested in).

I sure hope that's the reason everyone is on a forum like this. Unless your goal is to (anonymously) show the world how smart you are, then you really can't get much out of this experience if you aren't a good "listener" (in quotes, because I actually mean reader). I like enlightening people to various things when given the opportunity, but I learn a whole lot more than I teach.

neptath  ·  4345 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Unless your goal is to (anonymously) show the world how smart you are

How would this be achieved? Perhaps if people could click some kind of button to show their approval and acceptance of another's intelligence, and maybe if each contributer could track and see how much they had been approved of... Maybe some sort of positive image, like an upwards facing arrow or something...

But I digress. There's no reason to be on a forum such as this if you don't intend to get something out of it - whether it's recent news, a new philosophical perspective, or just a quick laugh.

neptath  ·  4345 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Perhaps given the text-based format, serious contributors train themselves to read carefully (if it's a topic they are interested in).

And otherwise, they just don't read at all. I couldn't have a passionate in-person discussion about the internal politics of Papua New Guinea, simply because I'm not interested in the topic, and I would probably exhibit behavior similar to that which I described above - checking my phone, calling others into the conversation, and so on. However, online, I wouldn't have to exhibit those behaviors because I wouldn't be in the discussion in the first place, I simply never would have opened up whatever page or group was discussing the internal politics of Papua New Guinea (or if I did, I probably would have immediately closed it).

Thus, only those who are serious about a topic discuss it, and because they are serious and interested, they are much more likely to read and contribute.