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AlwaysOnTime  ·  4108 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Experiment: What's YOUR most controversial opinion, Hubski?

I think weed legalization is the answer to a lot of problems. Not so much because of the weed itself but because of hemp, which has immense industrial value. In my opinion, it's illegal because of this, and because many companies and even industries would go down if the hemp industry became legal and robust.

That said, more people getting high might also help with the population's general attitude towards life and others, but that may be just wishful thinking.





Raxyn13  ·  4108 days ago  ·  link  ·  

So something along the lines of prohibition? Where alcohol was banned under the illusion of morality when it was more because it was a threat to petrol as automotive fuel.

AlwaysOnTime  ·  4108 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Wasn't the prohibition a result of the temperance movement? Unless there was some sort of conspiracy (which I doubt), historically it was pretty much a large group of people that wanted alcohol banned because it caused too much damage (drunk people make all kinds of bad decisions, especially when wives are involved).

This is different, I think. It's still a prohibition, but noone asked for it to be prohibited.

Raxyn13  ·  4108 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Rockefeller propped up the Temperance movement with buckets of money in order to remove his largest competition. Heres Snopes' take on the matter.

AlwaysOnTime  ·  4108 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You mixed up the markup a bit there, buddy :P

I guess at this point it's a question of what came first. Was it the movement itself, or the funding to start it? Because if it's the former, one could assume Rockerfeller & co. just seized the opportunity of the movement going around and poured money into it to eliminate competition. Alternatively, they're the ones who got the fire going under the guise of populous protests.

God, I've been on this site for like 3 hours and I'm already having such interesting discussions. I love this!

Raxyn13  ·  4108 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Fixed the markup. So embarrassed.

I believe Rockefeller simply seized the opportunity the Temperance movement provided to remove his only real rival to energy dominance. Though it could be argued that the movement wouldn't have gained much traction without the oodles of cash he was able to provide.

And I love this site already, only been a member for a couple days. The discussions are grand!

AlwaysOnTime  ·  4108 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It seems like a chicken vs. the egg situation. Regardless, I don't recall any major protest movements against marijuana - so one way or another the case with this is still different, and I think the fact that it's banned is a lot more due to the suppression of its industrial and medical application (I forgot to mention all the pharmaceutical companies that would go out of business, or at the very least lose a LOT of money).

Raxyn13  ·  4108 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I've got no idea how pot got banned, haha. I just assume people threw the baby out with the bathwater in regards to other drugs that were outlawed. Granted, I have no desire to smoke, so it doesn't really effect me. I just don't like people lying to get what they want just because they know the truth wouldn't help them.

AlwaysOnTime  ·  4108 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Haha I usually say staying straight is just as great, and just because you don't smoke doesn't mean you shouldn't recognize the fallacy of the laws prohibiting it.

Ah well, I think things are looking up now - two states legalized it, more are likely to follow, eventually the world will catch on. Who knows, maybe I'm right - maybe we'll get out of all these global issues with oil, climate change, energy, etc, as a result of the domino effect that may be caused by the legalization of pot and hemp. Probably just wishful thinking though.

Raxyn13  ·  4108 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Well, I doubt we'll fix EVERYTHING because of legalization of marijuana. But it may help some. I don't really like the idea of me not being myself (I even hate laughing gas at the dentist), but it's not my job to tell people how to live. Also, I'm actually from CO, and will hopefully be moving back there soon. I miss those mountains!

AlwaysOnTime  ·  4108 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Well in weed's defense you're hardly anything other than yourself, I think you (and a lot of other people) get this misconception from alcohol. Alcohol makes you "not yourself" and really destroys your judgement, weed does quite the opposite. It's kind of hard to describe, the closest thing I could think of is that you sort of become a younger version of yourself, albeit with the same, if not better judgement.

And yeah, it probably won't fix everything, but like I said I reckon there could be a domino effect resulting from it. You have to admit, the world accepting pot would be a big deal - that would pave the way for the world accepting many new, good things, like renewable energy sources and space exploration (in my dreams...).

Raxyn13  ·  4108 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Well, maybe some day I'll try it, just to see. I'm just not super cool with anything that changes my perceptions. We'll see!

AlwaysOnTime  ·  4108 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I highly recommend it, at least once! Even if it's not your thing, which is perfectly fine, I think anyone should experience it at least once just to see what it's like. There's really no bad that will come from it. Plus, you can easily control how high you actually get. Sure, if you smoke a whole lot the first time you will probably be very overwhelmed, if not repulsed, but if you take it easy you'll definitely enjoy it.

BLOB_CASTLE  ·  4107 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Sorry to jump in the conversation so late, but I agree that it's something that everyone should enjoyfully experience at least once. I have a friend who, on his first time, decided to smoke a whole gram by himself. Very bad idea. Now he's repulsed by it, which is funny, because he gets drunk every night. Like AlwaysOnTime said, it is very difficult to explain. I can't vouch for it being a more youthful self because I'm a week shy of being 21. However, I'd say that it gives you a more acute understanding of your surroundings. So, while you as a whole may not understand what is going on all around you, what your eyes/thoughts are focused on leads to a world of thought and imagination. Where people go wrong with it is that they confuse being high with their reality (kind of like in Inception). It's all about appreciating it for what it is, and realizing that sober life is just as awesome.

Raxyn13  ·  4107 days ago  ·  link  ·  

We'll have to see. I'm going to wait until I'm back in CO to even think about trying it.

On an interesting note, I turn 21 soon too! Jan 7!

thenewgreen  ·  4101 days ago  ·  link  ·  

HAPPY BIRTHDAY Raxyn13!

BLOB_CASTLE  ·  4101 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I just saw this! Happy birthday! Try to get out of your job and move to Colorado this year.

AlwaysOnTime  ·  4107 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Oh, happy early birthday! By the way, this is a great page I found some time ago that tries to describe what being high feels like (and gets pretty close, I think). Definitely take a look! Link