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am_Unition  ·  261 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: The New "Over the Top" Secret Plan on How Fascists Could Win in 2024

Yeah after I posted it, I saw it was also on dailykos and thought "oh. uh oh". And I didn't bother to look this guy up, fearing for the worst. But I think the theory is right, regardless.

    The Clown World contingent has lost, not gained power in the interim

How do you mean? I see Elise Stefanik going meteoric because she did batshit lies the right way. That's basically the intra-party dynamics. Do you mean lost power over the dems, or equivalently, fallen out of favor with the electorate? Maybe a little.? But the head fucking clown is still popular enough to legitimately win the electoral college, despite having already tried to feed the circus audience to the lions on live TV.

It has been excruciating to see the House clowns, who we all know or knew were involved in J6 and the so-obviously-illegal fake electors plot (same plot), currently running the House and immersed in the absolute most hilarious impeachment attempt(s) ever conducted. Good clowns! They spend an incredible amount of time lying about the Bidens' business deals and other small potatoes, and Joe can't even be bothered to say "Hey so isn't it funny that all of the clowns dragging me and mine through the mud demonstrably broke the law trying to install Trump, but are just allowed to skate?". These same clowns, the skater clowns allowed to break the law, call it the fascist Biden DoJ and accuse it of prosecuting political opponents. Good clowns.

It's funny because yeah obviously they can't legislate, regardless of who's speaker, but how much that plays into their effectiveness of coup attempts, I mean, I dunno. It probably doesn't bode well, sure, but look, if they're really bad at coups, they can just keep trying, because apparently there is no legal penalty at all. There does exist political reward, now. There did not, three years ago, at least not as much, but Trump's mostly fixed that. The tribalism has made the party turn hard right because (and in tandem with the declining number of competitive voting districts) the only challenge is winning the primary, which caters to the most radical voters of a party, because in the general, conservatives will vote for anyone with an "R" on the ballot. Problem is, some people aren't catering. They ain't playin'. They craycray. And they're winning a large number of races.

I think we talked about this, but one of Trump's strategies is nicely summarized in Trump's or Lara Trump's (I forget which, not interested) message to the RNC while floating her for the top spot in it, which was basically "Just worry about me, and I'll help you when I'm back in office". Now, a lot of that is brazenly trying to capture of the financial arm of the GOP, but some of it is perceived as "oh once the boss is back in the office, he'll take care of me". Either way, the fact that he can try to hijack RNC $$$s without a single GOP federal office holder or pundit saying "You know, I kind of don't like that" lets you know that they're publicly submitting to it. Whether they stew about it in private is effectively irrelevant, and like I said, some are even true blue craycray. But every single one of them perform as cronies, except for maybe Lisa Murkowski's left elbow area and Romney's forehead.

Here's a prediction that I got wrong: I was convinced that the clowns would make Trump the Speaker, but everything worked out even cleaner, and Trump doesn't have to do anything except TRUTH (verb, virtual) and friendly interviews (byebye Brett Baier) or rallies, and he's effectively the House.

I think that two or three SCOTUS justices are lost. Roberts, less so, but sometimes an unwitting accessory. The House GOP is Trump. The Senate GOP is mostly chickenshit. Truly, I hope you're right, that there is still sufficient resistance in enough places. If Trump forreal wins the election, at least we will know that we deserve this, in a way. Worse than discomforting, actually.





kleinbl00  ·  261 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I see Elise Stefanik going meteoric because she did batshit lies the right way.

Do you now. The same Elise Stefanik who hitched her wagon to Kevin McCarthy? That Elise Stefanik? Hey what happened to Kevin btw

    But the head fucking clown is still popular enough to legitimately win the electoral college, despite having already tried to feed the circus audience to the lions on live TV.

Look. It all comes down to this. Don't go but but but don't glide over it so you can make another crazy-ass Charlie Philadelphia meme, don't go oh yeah and also lemmechangethesubjectrealquick LISTEN

It feels good to back a winner. It feels bad to back a loser. The past four years have been about turning Trump from winner to loser.

The libs love to go "sick of winning yet" as if they're expecting the Red Hat Crew to go "you know what you're right I don't know what I was thinking will you ever welcome me back into the Brethren of Chinstrokers" and they won't. They'll just take off the hat and change the subject.

Let's look at some data.

Here's the first thing I want you to look at. Since 2008, the leading political affiliation in the United States has been "fuck this bullshit."

They don't actually vote that way, though.

When you look at polls? you are looking at the hard blue and the hard red. The screened back shit doesn't count unless you're specifically looking at "independent voters" and then your survey results are just fucked. When was the last time you saw an accurate poll? You keep listing them as if they're papal bulls but the simple fact is polling was shitting the bed in 2008 and became hot bullshit in 2016 and hasn't reverted back.

    The tribalism has made the party turn hard right because (and in tandem with the declining number of competitive voting districts) the only challenge is winning the primary,

That's not the only challenge. The challenge is winning the primary without losing the general. Go ahead give me your doomsayer theory on why Lauren Boebert had to change districts. Whatchoo got.

    which was basically "Just worry about me, and I'll help you when I'm back in office". Now, a lot of that is brazenly trying to capture of the financial arm of the GOP, but some of it is perceived as "oh once the boss is back in the office, he'll take care of me".

he didn't take care of ANYBODY. I don't know if you've really internalized what Trump's retinue looks like right now but he's done burned all the Sidney Powells. Peter Navarro is going to fucking jail. This is a guy who used to get up on CNBC and say Rich People Things while watching his portfolio and the dude's lookin' at government shoes.

it feels good to back a winner. It feels bad to back a loser. The victories experience by the right have them doing facepalming shit like hastily drafting "we didn't mean IVF tho" bills and having to try twice to impeach a cabinet official that nobody outside of Gab even knows who he is.

And here you are, rending your shirt about the triumphant rise of Elise Stefanik.

am_Unition  ·  261 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    The same Elise Stefanik who hitched her wagon to Kevin McCarthy? That Elise Stefanik? Hey what happened to Kevin btw

He's gone, ousted due to insufficient levels of MAGA, aka refused to explicitly state that the election was stolen with the gusto expected by Trump. Stefanik rode McCarthy's coattails up and then pivoted when he wouldn't.

    They'll just take off the (red) hat and change the subject

Oh absolutely. "Bush?! Hahahh, who? Who would.. vote... for......" slowly turns framed photograph of W Bush on his nightstand face down

Polling is absolutely garbage, this is true. And dems have performed well in special elections, nor was there a red wave in 2022 (not sure about gubernatorial stuff). But the GOP still kept the House. That's nuts, even when accounting for all the flaws in our democracy that favor them.

    doomsayer theory on why Lauren Boebert had to change districts

Nah, I mean, she lost because she's radical and weird, and enough people in her district got sick of it. A healthy, tactful party wouldn't let her run again at all. The fact that she'll probably win in another district is amazing.

    And here you are, rending your shirt about the triumphant rise of Elise Stefanik.

lol, again, I'm cool. Just sayin' what I think. Of course I don't expect to be right about every element of this, but it's where I'm (still) at. And you're where you're still at. This is classic us.

edit: The IVF stuff is funny. Absolutely a circus.