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OftenBen  ·  95 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: The Last Children of Down Syndrome

I am utterly disgusted by the general consensus of the healthy and able bodied people of hubski or at least this thread that preventable disability and sickness is preferable to health.


kleinbl00  ·  95 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Come now, Ben. That's not what disgusts you at all. This is an ambivalent article about which most of us, when we've expressed an opinion at all, have expressed ambivalence. You've chosen to not just blaze through that ambivalence but to pretend the article says something it doesn't so you can be offended - your viewpoint is "Stop. Breeding. Sick. Kids. End of story" about an article that says in three different places that there were 19 children born with Downs Syndrome in Denmark in 2019. Based on birth rates, that's 0.03%. In the US it's 0.14% so really - you're pretending to be mad at people doing what you want them to do so well that they've reduced the prevalence of one form of birth defect by 80%.

I'm going to guess you've lashed out and blamed your parents for having you. I'm also going to guess that they've used some form of the phrase "god's will" in order to imply that the struggles you deal with every day are somehow good rather than terrible. I'll even go one further and hypothesize that the original schism between you and your faith was your condition, and that if you'd been born normal and happy and unafflicted you'd be going to church every Sunday and the star of the choir.

If you want to make this all about you I totally can: you are an atheist because God let you down. Your vehemence against the religious is due to their acceptance of your affliction and their lack of helpful support beyond encouraging you to do the same. The more health issues you're dealing with, the angrier you get; I mean you telegraph this stuff like an amateur boxer.

What's really telling is your insistence that the rest of us address and humor your obsession. You're like a 911Truther in that somehow, no matter the discussion, it all ties back to Building 7 and the Jews. Funny thing about conspiracy theorists is they tend to insist on imposing a twisted sense of order on the external world in order to avoid unresolved internal turmoil. I think fundamentally you don't disbelieve in God, you're just angry at him and whenever any of your taboo subjects come up tangentially you start barking like a kicked dog. You clearly wanna lash out and since the guy you really want to lash out at is the Invisible Cloud Being, the rest of us will have to do.

I mean, I went as Jesus for Halloween once (girlfriend went as the devil; she was hawt) so I can't even be offended. But I think it's helpful for the rest of us to keep in mind that we're just involuntary stand-ins for your shouting match with The Big Guy.

Lemme know if he ever listens.

user-inactivated  ·  95 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I can understand your point of view but what I don't understand are which ailments make a person able to exist and which don't.

An antinatalist would argue that all births are wrong because existence is suffering.

Preventable disability and sickness only apply to the living. COVID-19 is preventable. The choice here is not "disease and sickness" versus health, it is disease and sickness versus non-existence.

OftenBen  ·  95 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Continue to advocate for the spread of disease. You have the full support of the Supreme court.