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Quatrarius  ·  2132 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Shit like this makes me glad I'm not famous

this is me speaking entirely anecdotally and not attempting to give you a proper logical argument or to sway anybody's opinion or anything like that

i'm transgender: i've talked about that before on this site, a long time ago - i don't remember what i've ever said about it. i don't try to "pass" yet - people call that being "stealth" when you're not trying to live as your preferred gender. the most important thing is that, up until the last half-year or so, i essentially appeared entirely male.

i like to go for walks and sometimes i run for exercise. there's a small subdivision about 5 minutes walking to one direction, but it's not long (or interesting) enough to run through. the other way out of my house's street heads to a really busy highway, and if you walk along it for a while, you eventually get to the other side of a big lake and there's lots of houses and things that are pretty to look at / nice to run through (the roads, not the houses)

anyway, i go for walks at any time. i run at any time, during the day. if i don't catch the energy, it fades - so sometimes i run at night.

there aren't many people walking around here (because everything is designed for cars), and there's nobody along the highway walking (even with strip malls and stuff everywhere). so, especially at night, i'm just alone walking or running along the road

and i never felt like i was in any kind of danger until i started looking more female. nobody slowed down, nobody yelled anything at me (even when i was running! no "run, forrest" or anything!) - i got no attention. but about half a year ago, for the first time, some guy yelled at me from his car when i was going by. i had somebody slow down to look at me (at night when the road wasn't busy). there's a different timbre to the way people look at me now, the way men look at me now

and i don't really like it. and i'm ugly, too! i can't imagine what it would be like if i was born female.

i know a lot of women (cis or trans) that have been harassed in public like that. i know women that have been harassed by people they knew, or betrayed by close friends or family members. i don't think it's an understatement to say that it's a problem all women deal with, on one level or another, even just by having to change their behavior to feel (or be!) safer

there's a story that i remembered reading about that was about a mass killing of a bunch of cathars in france back in the day, and these soldiers were waiting outside the city for their leaders to give them orders, but they were impatient to start killing these people, so they looked to a priest for an answer - the leaders were concerned about how they would actually identify who were cathars and who were proper christians - so the priest (presumably shrugging) said something along the lines of "kill them all - god will sort them into heaven and hell in the end"

i can't bring myself to spend the energy to sort people out. that's not the moral of the story, but it's the moral i have

the gist of it is that when you see "injustice!" i see "omelette!"

and you can respond to this if you want to, or yell at me for not caring, but there is nothing you can say that will change my mind and there's nothing i can say that will change yours, so let's all lighten up a little bit and talk about something more fun





johnnyFive  ·  2132 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I appreciate your sharing your experiences. My response is that, like seemingly everyone else in this thread, you're treating this as an either-or, and like there isn't some other way.

    i can't bring myself to spend the energy to sort people out. that's not the moral of the story, but it's the moral i have

This isn't a moral, so don't call it that. You are being more honest about it than most anyone else, but don't try to pretend like this is something good, courageous, or moral. Because it's not.

And ultimately you and everyone else who thinks this way is going to hurt women a lot more than you help them. It feels good and cathartic, and I'm sure it's easy to find plenty of people who will pat you on the back for thinking this way. But "plenty" can be deceptive. This mindset gives so much ammunition to anyone that wants to dismiss the problem while driving away anyone less extreme (like myself), all because everyone would rather continue the circle-jerk about how self-righteous they are than actually fix anything.

My prediction is that one of two things is going to happen. One, we have this cathartic orgy of shaming and accusation, with many of the accusations being true. Then once the high wears off, we'll go back to normal because there has been no underlying cultural change. Anyone who thought it was okay to harass others will be glad they dodged the bullet by not being caught, and it'll be at least as easy as before to justify their actions as before, if not more so. Look at how Gamergate actually made things worse for female gamers in a lot of ways, because what started out as a reasonable question about integrity and ethics in games journalism got blown up by hysterics on both sides.

The second (and this is not necessarily mutually exclusive) is that eventually, there's going to be an accusation that is so egregious that once it falls apart (but after some guy's life is completely destroyed), it will torpedo the credibility of any future accusation. At this point we'll bascially be back to square one, with little to show for it but megabytes of blog posts.

But I think you're right, in that the people shouting about this the loudest are doing it because they're too lazy and selfish to put in the work.

As much as I hate the stupidity of the pro-witch-hunt faction, I hate the hypocrisy more. You can be codescending and proud of your close-mindedness if you want (even if I don't understand either position), but at least have the decency to admit that you're unwilling to do the right thing because you can't be bothered. As someone with a pre-school-aged daughter, this drives me crazy. Because when she comes up, it will be that much harder for her generation to fight for equality because of all the excess baggage ya'll are piling on. The next push for improving women's lot in 20 years or whenever is going to have to spend all this extra energy just to avoid being labelled as the next #meToo.

Quatrarius  ·  2132 days ago  ·  link  ·