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kleinbl00  ·  220 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Stormy Daniels is crushing President Trump at his own game

...and where are they on Hilary?




keifermiller  ·  220 days ago  ·  link  ·  
kleinbl00  ·  220 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Which proves my point: this is not a principled stand, it's a case of barking along with the loudest dog. Lenin et. al. would use it as an argument against democracy but I would say it's an argument against ignorance.

Ignorance is way easier to cure than stupidity.

keifermiller  ·  220 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Willful ignorance is stupidity.

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On the rare occasions that I've managed to beat down their "FAKE NEWS!" firewall, and actually expose them to, say, Trump's praise of Duterte along with what Duterte has said/done, the response isn't "I didn't know". Rather: "I don't care."

The people who were riding the Trump Train simply because the other dogs were barking too jumped off a while ago.

kleinbl00  ·  219 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I disagree. I think willful ignorance is a survival mechanism.

It's pretty easy to tell the forgotten folk of the flyover states that the coastal elites don't care about them. It happens to be true. It's also easy to point out that there's no future for them the way things are going. That also happens to be true. Argue that things used to be better? Again, facts bear that out. And then when one side argues that the Trans Pacific Partnership is going to somehow make their lives better (when they clearly remember things going utterly to shit after NAFTA), the other side simply has to say "none of the above" and they've got a winning pitch.

Let's pretend I'm 55 years old, barely making ends meet, my daughter and her son living in my basement working retail and scraping by, my property values limping up from the catastrophe that was 2008, the plant not closed yet but every year you're never sure, downtown comprised of whatever could survive a Walmart ecosystem.

On the one hand I've got "sell your house, move to the city, retrain for a new career, compete against 20-year-olds, start over, maybe you'll survive the future." On the other hand I've got "Make America Great Again."

I can tell you which one is easier to swallow. It's the same one that allows me to cling to the notion that somebody, somewhere cares about me. I only have to accept the lie that they know how to fix the world while the other guys are doing it out of malfeasance rather than helplessness.

And really - the dissenting opinions moved away long ago and good riddance to 'em.

There's trust at the heart of that willful ignorance - "think for me so I don't have to." And the bread and circuses will help for a while, but not forever - watching Dixie Chicks CDs getting run over is fun but it doesn't speed up the line at work. The Carrier plant still closed. And while it might feel good to think that those horrible drug dealers that got Joanie hooked are gonna die like the dogs they are, there's a part of you that knows she switched to black tar heroin because she couldn't afford the Oxy two years after the car crash.

That trust isn't inviolate. And it won't last forever. And trust lost is trust betrayed and that never ends well.

keifermiller  ·  219 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I don't think the two are exclusive options.

Wanting to believe that someone cares about you and is it taking care of everything in a way that maintains your sense of pride and self worth absolutely is a survival mechanism.

Being a drug dealer who believes that Trump cares about you is pretty stupid by this point, though.

I don't know. On the one hand, I absolutely see this a class issue at root. On the other hand is salt from daily interactions with vocal Trump supporters. That's where I'm at right now.

I should probably nix facebook again.

kleinbl00  ·  219 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It's real easy for me to be dispassionate out here on the Left Coast where the baseball-cap wearing potbellied 50-year-old men buying Budweiser are wearing these:

I'll say this: I have a lot more faith in my common man in Seattle than I do in LA, and a lot more faith in both than I ever had in New Mexico. Salt builds up and ruins your cropland.

bfv  ·  219 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I go back and forth, but I think it's getting better in the south east.

kleinbl00  ·  219 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Best news I've heard all day.

FirebrandRoaring  ·  219 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Meeting many Trump supporters daily?