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comment by kleinbl00

I don't understand. This is a youtube channel that, instead of being shut down and investigated for child abuse, monetized to the tune of $200k?

If this was shown on television, every parents' group, religious group, education group, development group, legal group and spiritual group would lose their shit. yet because it's on Youtube it's taken this long for someone to step in?

And that someone wasn't Google?

And people get mad at advertisers for wanting more control over the content their ads appear next to. Jesus fucking christ.





user-inactivated  ·  2544 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Make a few awkward Nazi jokes? WORDS ARE VIOLENCE! TAKE HIS ADS AWAY!

Beat the shit out of your kids and put it on the internet? Just a prank, bro.

As one of my friends said today... Fuck this gay earth.

kleinbl00  ·  2544 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The disgusting thing is, I understand where they're coming from. They can't pull that shit without proof that he's violating the terms of service, and if they aren't committing a crime, that's a lot harder to do. Meanwhile, their standards against hate speech are pretty clear.

And on the one hand, I want them to institute a policy along the lines of "as soon as we start paying a Youtuber a thousand bucks, we'll have a human watch their videos to make sure that humanity is not harmed by paying them." And on the other hand, I don't want Youtube determining what's harmful to humanity and what isn't. And then I remember that we created the Federal Communications Commission to deal with this shit, and then I'm reminded that the FCC is not going to be dealing with fuckall in anything like a positive manner for quite some time to come and I find myself agreeing with your friend.

user-inactivated  ·  2543 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think it was you and I that have had this conversation before, maybe about Uber. Silicon Valley is all about removing people from the chain of responsibility. Anytime that they can make software rather than people in charge, VC's will throw billions at the problem/solution.

    And on the one hand, I want them to institute a policy along the lines of "as soon as we start paying a Youtuber a thousand bucks, we'll have a human watch their videos to make sure that humanity is not harmed by paying them."

Hell there are youtubers who rate and review marijuana, which is still technically against federal law. Those videos are monetized. The unboxing channels are for all intents and purposes ads themselves and it was not until a few years ago that youtubers were forced to comply with FTC guidelines about paid endorsements. The Instagram "celebrities" are now getting the same treatment after years of getting away with violating the rules. The problem with making humans look at this content is that there is so much of it that you are talking about tens of thousands of man-hours on behalf of youtube a week just to look at the existing, not to mention the new people that hit this mark. Youtube costs Google a net loss of about 2-3 billion dollars a year according to their SEC filings; Youtube has on the order of $10 Billion in servers to host and serve all that video which is why there is not a real Youtube alternative out there.

Let's not forget the whole Youtube Hero's nonsense where Google tried to outsource this to unpaid volunteers. The people who take that mantle are almost always the absolute wrong people to do the job. Ideologues, paid shills, 4Chan janitors, reddit moderators (no offense). I really do not like the idea of a PAC like ALEC or CodeBlue paying people to sit on Youtube and flag videos that are opposed to their ideaology which is what is going to happen in the long run. And if you thought the 2016 election was a shit show....

Which brings me to your next line.

    I don't want Youtube determining what's harmful to humanity and what isn't.

Humans have biases and they suck at making rational judgements when emotions kick in. There are several channels on the right and on the left complaining that Youtube is arbitrary in how it demonetizes videos. There was recently a wave of videos that were deemed "Not Advertiser Friendly" where homosexual teens and young adults talked about coming out into the open were demonetized and hidden. The sagas of some of the let's play video streamers are legendary; they have been fighting fair use issues since forever. Even the software they use will have a bias based on the in-group of the programmers. Filter bubbles are bad enough as it is. With youtube being the 800 pound gorilla and really no other major game in town (vid.me, Vimeo, etc are way too small and any mass migration are going to kill those sites) the only really hope we have is that a functional government can put pressure on them to obey the rules.

    and then I'm reminded that the FCC is not going to be dealing with fuckall in anything like a positive manner for quite some time

Sigh. And when Trump resigns at the end of summer and President Pence takes over it is not going to get any better.

kleinbl00  ·  2543 days ago  ·  link  ·  

https://monetizepros.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/YouTube-Distribution-2009.gif

Back of the napkin math:

A million views earns you around two thousand dollars. The number I've heard repeated a lot is $5k, but those are definitely partners. That distribution graph is from 2009 (eek) but it's all we've got.

Quora thinks there are 81 billion Youtube videos.

81 billion x .33% is 270,000 videos earning $2k or more, over a 10-year history (which is likely exponential, not linear), in many languages. Which is an impressive amount of work when you're losing billions a year.

The Invisible Hand says they need to lose more for bad content.

It's the fuckin' advertisers that are going to save us all.

user-inactivated  ·  2542 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    It's the fuckin' advertisers that are going to save us all.

Sci-Fi did not prepare me for this distopian timeline.

kleinbl00  ·  2542 days ago  ·  link  ·