To be honest I doubt they have other times. While I'm not for sure, it reads like spez went into the database and directly altered stuff. That is annoying to do. Then again, this isn't the first time I've seen this sort of thing happen online, so who knows. I'm more surprised that people are surprised that it's happened. It's happened for as long as internet forums have existed. It's bad, but not new.
And for such a site of significance this seems like amateur hour. How did he think there wouldn't be tremendous backlash from something so childish? Puts the entire site to shame. His staff must be furious.
He said his staff was furious, but people are posting screenshots of the admins chatting. Granted, the screenshots may be spurious.
I assume you are saying that as it is an actual reddit admin quote.
I'm finding myself disagreeing with this. I couldn't find words as to why until I saw your comment below about changing your words in a comment and how that affects integrity. It's the same integrity for a small place as a big place, but people do it in both places. In a small place, there's really no recourse. No one cares that it happened. The user base in a small place is too invested in that place to care that one person is affected. In a bigger and more diverse place like Reddit, the accountability is greater. Huffman got away with it for an hour before people were getting enough attention to force his hand. On smaller platforms, I've seen those things go on for years with no one admitting fault or anyone caring. It appears there's more accountability because it's a big site. For me personally, that gives me a bit more confidence that my words being tampered with will more likely be addressed than in a smaller site. I asked this in another comment section, but does the small size of a place say that it lacks cultural significance? What does that say about smaller sites?
I don't think it's any worse than BoingBoing and Gawker disemvoweling obnoxious comments. It's not like it wasn't obvious to the users involved their comments were being edited. There are a lot of things reddit and spez in particular deserve to be criticized for, but playing with assholes who were asking for it isn't one of them.
The fundamental problem with the admins' behavior on Reddit is it is inconsistent, opaque, and quixotically-driven. And considering the impact their behavior has on discourse, it makes the whole structure completely unpredictable and untrustworthy. But it's not like this shit is new. There has never been a time when the admins weren't completely arbitrary. Nowadays, though, they're being arbitrary to a crowd whose median age is 16 so the response is understandably juvenile.
Indeed. I think the only reason spez in those "admin chats" (which I thought were actually default moderators) says solidly that they won't ban/don't want to ban T_D is because at least they are vaguely contained where they are. Imagine if they did ban that sub what a disaster it would be. The mistake they make is assuming it's a problem with that subreddit's users, when it's just part of reddit's nature that they've been able to use so massively. It's always had toxic lairs.
Speaking as a former default mod: Reddit doesn't have the tools to ban anything. They can play whack-a-mole and hopefully wear out their adversaries or drive them to another site. They can hunker down on the knowledge that what they do takes less work than what their adversaries do, which hopefully balances out the fact that they're outnumbered a thousand to one. They can ban one community and another and another and another and hopefully the goons get tired of the game. But every time they try this ploy they show their limits. Meanwhile their adversary learns their game and learns what it takes to make them capitulate. And as the scandals mount, they get more press. The game becomes more fun. And all the reasonable people have been driven away, and what's left are the jihadis. At its fundamental core, Reddit does not have the architecture to control the conversation. Upvotes and downvotes are a crude and brutal tool that favors easy-to-digest content and despite the fact that criticism has five times the impact of praise Reddit counts both equally. It's an architecture that weaponizes enthusiasm and inattention at the cost of thoughtfulness and insight, while also heavily favoring dissemination over digestion. If virulence ("virality" - fuck you marketers) is the aspect of social dissemination we're watching these days, Reddit was engineered to be ebola back ten years ago. There have been adaptions and modifications that have allowed it to keep its carriers alive for a while but it's a fuckin' brutal organism. It wasn't designed to be controlled. It was designed to spread. It was designed to shape its own destiny through competition and extinction and there were never many controls built in to steer it. And what controls do exist lack any sort of utility in dealing with a persistent threat. Most of us have long since given up. If there had been any thought whatsoever to social media, Jack Dorsey and Alexis Ohanian and Mark Zuckerberg would have considered for a minute or so just how easily their little petri dish projects could be weaponized. But they didn't. And here we are.
Hmm. I disagree on a philosophical level. If one of the controlling members of Hubski for instance took a random, inconsequential comment of mine and changed it to "I like the smell of my own farts," it'd be a little funny and in the grand scheme of things, there wouldn't be any direct harm. However, their doing it crosses a line, because they would violate my trust and abuse their power. It would bring into question their integrity and the integrity of Hubski.