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In that case, let's just tell it like it is.. it's about cosmetic appearance and not preventative medicine. I agree that the use of the word "barbaric" was also hyperbolic. Take my previous comment and use the word "unusual" instead and I'd bet you would agree.
Yes, I'd agree that it's mostly done for cosmetic reasons. And, I'd argue that since we pull kids teeth and go through other painful orthodontic procedures for cosmetic reasons, it's a bit hypocritical to get up in arms about it like Hitchens did. I doubt he would have ranted about the brutality of pulling kid's teeth.
If people consider an uncircumcised penis to be as socially negative as crooked teeth, then IMO it would be very difficult to justify being ok with one and not the other. And what is more, preventing crooked teeth can easily be a more painful process. I'm curious about this. Can't really search at work, but if you can point to one, I'd like to see. I think sex is pretty great. I'd hate to think it could have been even better. And I'm not even Jewish! :)There have also been studies that show that an in-tact penis provides more pleasure to both the man and the woman during sex.
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thenewgreen · 4585 days ago · link ·
- Circumcised males may also be at risk of premature ejaculation, or alternatively may have to resort to prolonged thrusting during intercourse in order to stimulate sufficiently the residual erogenous penile nerve endings to trigger ejaculation (Bensley & Boyle, 2001). They report that the unnatural dryness of their circumcised penis often makes coitus painful, resulting in chafing and/or skin abrasions (Gemmell & Boyle, 2001). Concomitantly, O'Hara and O'Hara (1999) found that female partners reported significantly greater sexual pleasure from intercourse with genitally intact men as compared with circumcised men. Money and Davison (1983) had previously documented a loss of stretch receptors in the prepuce and frenulum and an associated diminution in sexual response, thereby restricting a circumcised man’s ability to achieve arousal. Consequently, erectile dysfunction may be a complication of male circumcision (Glover, 1929; Ozkara, Asicioglu, Alici, Akkus, & Hattat, 1999; Palmer & Link, 1979; Stief, Thon, Djamilian, Allhoff, & Jonas, 1992; Stinson, 1973).
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The fact that there can be a lively debate is evidence that its not at all the same as female circumcision. There is no debate there, in my mind. It is pure wrong, and I say that about very, very few things. My world, usually shades of grey, is purely black and white on that topic.
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Roger_Green · 4573 days ago · link ·
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98f3IavuEgQ
This video should be very enlightening to you.
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First of all, the video was enlightening to me and in a way that has nothing to do with male/female circumcision but rather in a way that displays how to share information. This video was very well put together. Simple and direct without pulling any punches. I'm glad I watched this.
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thenewgreen · 4584 days ago · link ·
I agree that the two aren't analogous, my only point is that our view of male circumcision is completely ethnocentric. If you removed yourself from it as a cultural norm and saw the practice with a fresh mind, you would likely find it extremely bizarre. (I fully realize I've gone from barbaric to bizarre... this thread has tempered by view)