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kleinbl00  ·  3030 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: North Korea makes more sense when you know its roots in Japanese fascism

I've read a book on North Korea and watched a couple documentaries and this article doesn't jive with my understanding of North Korea. Which makes sense to me, by the way. I'm also not sure that the way to clarity about something you don't understand is through an overly-brief, overly-simplistic analogy to something else you don't understand.

Japanese imperialism was a reaction to Western imperialism and mercantilism. The Japanese looked around and noticed that you were either a peer of the European powers or a colony thereof. Japan mandated western dress and western culture in order to assimilate on their own terms; the drive to unite the Pacific rim under their banner was a (fascist, racist) attempt to thwart European dominance of Southeast Asia on Japanese terms. They were hardly alone; Ho Chi Minh worked as a waiter during the Versailles peace talks just to pick up pointers (having been resoundingly ignored by the Western powers as a representative of Vietnam).

Which doesn't really have anything to do with North Korea. North Korea was occupied by Japan and then the Soviets; China has long been more of an ally than the Soviet Union. Which would make you look at powers like Cuba for parallels, not Japan; Japan was never a vassal state of anyone. More importantly, North Korea fought off the greatest military force in the world and won on their home ground. That is at the heart of the North Korean philosophy - North Korea is a giant killer, alone in a world that wishes them harm. It's a siege mentality. Under siege, people align with leaders that get things done and the Kim dynasty provides those leaders. Kim Il-sung understood this and crafted a cult of personality around himself, same as Stalin, same as David Koresh, same as Jim Jones.

That is the key to understanding North Korea - it's a bastion of survivors constantly under siege by superior forces that it nonetheless keeps at bay through resolve, strength and superior attitude. North Korea's secret weapon is that it is led by the best human beings who ever lived, the leaders that preserve North Korea from destruction against all odds. Morale is the most important thing and any attempts to undermine that morale are a mortal threat to all free North Koreans.

Imperial Japan wasn't monolithic. It was a political party that took control and declared marshal law but its opposition was silent, not brainwashed out of existence. By contrast, North Korea is pretty much a country-wide cult at this point, and treats dissent in much the same way that any cult does.

And they have nukes.





goobster  ·  3030 days ago  ·  link  ·  

So... an Asiatic cult that has nukes? Kinda like Aum Shinrikyo? ;-)

rinx  ·  3030 days ago  ·  link  ·  

WTF? AUM has nukes???

goobster  ·  3030 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Well, no.

At least not any more. Probably.

They did have a huge property out in Western Australia. Seismometers around the world recorded a large seismic event in this tectonically stable area back in May 1993. Some say the signature was like a nuclear blast.

But nobody thought to go check it out. For years.

When someone finally went out there, long after Aum Shinrikyo had abandoned the sheep station, they found a technical lab, and many sheep who had died from exposure to several things. Including radiation and sarin.

Bill Bryson kinda created the modern mythology of the Aum-Nuke in his book, "In a Sunburned Country", but ... the facts are all there. They are all weird. And you can extrapolate that Aum possibly had a successful nuclear test on that site, long before their sarin gas attack on the Tokyo subway.

So... yeah. Do with that what you will...

rinx  ·  3030 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I don't know how well the analogy holds then, a rumored nuclear test from a now mostly defunct cult is pretty different then North Korea actively testing nukes today.

goobster  ·  3029 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Except the fact that a bunch of Asian boneheads did this (possibly) without any government backing, decades ago. Long before Pyongyang got their shit together enough to do it.

So Cult? Check. Nuclear ambitions? Check. Asian peninsula? Check. Seemed relevant to me at the time I posted it...