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user-inactivated  ·  3148 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Is There Anything Good About Men?

Since kleinbl00 already covered the majority of your silly argument I just want to address what you directed at me. Firstly, regarding your genetic rant, again I feel the need to reiterate that men and women are not genetic clones with different physical parts. All these studies show differences in them which due to genetics and hormones predispose them to acting in different ways. So kindly get off your soap box for a moment while you contemplate the indisputable fact that men and women developed differently based on evolutionary, societal, and cultural incentives for doing so. This happens in virtually every species on Earth. If you think people are really just half mom and half dad, you need some time alone with your Punnett Squares.

As for the main part of what you directed at me, the part about quantifying individualism, that is answered in this article. I suggest following kleinbl00's advice and giving this another read in the morning while trying to keep your emotions out of it. I know that's a lot of effort and a lot of reading, but you're clearly not understanding the opposing viewpoint, and if you ever want to argue outside of an echo chamber and avoid looking foolish, understanding the opposing viewpoint is vital. However, I doubt you'll reread it, as that would interfere with your confirmation bias.





user-inactivated  ·  3148 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I suggest following kleinbl00's advice and giving this another read in the morning

S'that what you're doing with the comment where I called you out on bullshit earlier, or do you just wander from post to post and say [BLANK] bias to people like you're in first year philosophy class and then not going back and answering when somebody gives you shit that you can't handle?

"Wayward you attacked me with an ad-hominem! Now let me just be a condescending prick right here, it's not the same thing!"

I just, I don't get it! It's weird to me that you agree with klein when he has the ability to argue with someone without being a condescending prick. "I know that's a lot of effort and a lot of reading." Holy shit-fuck. It's so hard to take you seriously when you talk to everyone like you're better than them. Stop it. You'll more than likely enjoy it here more if you don't act like that.

To conclude, I'm not gonna be reading however you respond to this. Just gonna hush you up for a week, check back, see if your attitude's changed. HOPEFULLY IT DOES.

_refugee_  ·  3148 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Is there a single person in this thread who would want to be a woman after reading this article?

kleinbl00  ·  3148 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Totally.

What the article says is as a woman, you are more likely to find a family and have children.

What the article says is as a woman, your level of necessary success to be judged as "successful" is lower.

What the article says is as a woman, you are not only less likely to be a CEO, you are also less likely to be a prison inmate, a workaholic or a workplace casualty.

Effectively, the article says that "average" women are judged as successful but men need to lean more towards extraordinary because that's the structure we've evolved. If you accept that you are more likely to be average than extraordinary, it's better to be a woman.

The only negative aspect for women is that men are more likely to be extraordinary than women - a consequence of men more likely to be deeply substandard. But again - it's a statistical argument. Statistics can no more predict whether or not you're extraordinary than whether or not you're blonde. Yeah - it can give you odds, but numbers don't know you.

_refugee_  ·  3148 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah. I don't consider being "average" a compliment or a positive aspect. I'd rather die out in a flame than fade away, or whatever, apparently.

For those who are okay with the safe option I guess being a woman, from the point of the article, seems okay.

I guess it's the average people that don't have billboards or movies for them.

kleinbl00  ·  3148 days ago  ·  link  ·  

No one's asking you to. more important, the article doesn't argue that women are more or less average than men - the article is arguing that women who stand out actually stand out more than men who stand out. More than that, you can still stand out and be judged on the median:

    On the Titanic, the richest men had a lower survival rate (34%) than the poorest women (46%) (though that’s not how it looked in the movie). That in itself is remarkable. The rich, powerful, and successful men, the movers and shakers, supposedly the ones that the culture is all set up to favor — in a pinch, their lives were valued less than those of women with hardly any money or power or status. The too-few seats in the lifeboats went to the women who weren’t even ladies, instead of to those patriarchs.
reguile  ·  3144 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm a big fan of existentialism.

Nothing matters, life is pointless, the world is pointless, the universe is pointless. No matter what we do, we will die, be forgotten, and nothing we remembered or nothing about how we exist today will live on. There is no future for us.

But, regardless of that, we can life happily picking our own path, picking what is important for us. In the grand scheme of things, life is truly pointless, from my view, I just want to be happy, live my life, and die.

Going out with a bang, being famous, is encouraged by society because it benefits society when people sacrifice themselves for doing so. Society loves a poet driven to suicide, but who produced lovely poems for thousands. Do you want to be that poet?

_refugee_  ·  3144 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You have no idea what you are talking about, but I'd appreciate it if you can trust that I'm an adult who has thought through her desires carefully enough not to mind what they are. So otherwise, fug off.

reguile  ·  3144 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think you are reading too much into what I am saying.

    it if you can trust that I'm an adult

I don't give a shit who you are.

_refugee_  ·  3144 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Society loves a poet driven to suicide, but who produced lovely poems for thousands. Do you want to be that poet?
reguile  ·  3144 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I didn't say that because my views of you, or because I thought you are a child, I said that because it's a rhetorical tool. Making the statement that being great, being a hero, is something that society "glamorizes" at the expense of all those who become heroes. And that nobody should actually want to be a hero, even in the culture that emphasizes it, because it comes a personal harm.

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_refugee_  ·  3148 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I doubt you'll reread it, as that would interfere with your confirmation bias.

Brah you know so much about me!