Spoken like someone who knows nothing about doxxing. The first half of the violentacrez/Michael Brutsch saga was a bunch of trolls thinking it'd be hilarious to spread the notion that Dante was in jail for molesting his son... for the lulz. Since Reddit refused to do anything about it, but told me if I could catch them doing other things worthy of getting shadowbanned (important shit, like "altering their CSS") they'd hop right on it, so I spent a year drawing their fire to give them something to do other than destroy the chances of a loving father ever hanging out with his son. Violentacrez thought this was hilarious because he thought I was way too uptight, so he modded all of those trolls in /r/jailbait, which got it banned for the first time (because reddit is nothing if not inconsistent). That wasn't quite lulzy enough, though so one of them - whom he had become Facebook friends with - sold him out to Adrien Chen. There was no part of it that was about "consequences." It was always about "I have no power but look, yes I do." Nobody is ever doxed because they deserve it - that's always a retconned backstop so that people like you can think there's some logic to it. And four years later, the Great Reddit Hate Machine starts saying "oh yeah maybe we ought not to encourage bored Russian teenagers to googlebomb the notion that one of our future employees is a child molester" but literally - Reddit still hasn't said shit about my fun'n'games with the circlejerkers, Dante and violentacrez. Alexis apologized to me privately but only to get me to shut up. My wife? My wife got doxed because I mentioned in /r/skeptic that she delivered babies outside of a hospital. It was the comment after "someone should put your whore wife out of her misery." Did I seriously expect anything to happen from it? No. But there's always that niggling doubt. That's how shabnameh has always worked. Is the Taliban really going to kill your daughter for going to school once the US leaves? Mmmmmmaybe not. But better to be safe than sorry, right? It's simpler than that, really: if you piss off someone with more time and less morality than yourself, shit can go sideways. Pretending that your actions have fuckall to do with it is dangerously delusional. Mr. "I use random strings for my logins because I burn my identities regularly."There is a very simple rule to some stuff on the internet: if you wouldn't do something away from the keyboard, don't do it at the keyboard and expect some arbitrary internet rules to save you.
I'm taking this tone because you started your statement with: That's victim-blaming, pure and simple. You continue with: So that if there was any question as to whether or not you blame the victim, you've laid it all out there - yes, it's the victim's fault. Who are these victims? So... people who deserve it. Obviously, someone who got doxxed is the sort of person who would "expose their genitals" or "engage in gossip." Any humility? Any chance you might include yourself in that group? No, no. You're clever. And moral. People who lead moral lives have nothing to fear. Let's be clear: - They doxed my wife to get back at me - for suggesting that delivering babies out of a hospital shouldn't be worthy of a death sentence. - They tried to dox me for preventing them from ruining two people's lives through slander. - They sent a SWAT team after an /r/gaming mod for taking down a picture of a PC. NOW you're changing tactics to Reddit's inability to remember and "nihilism of mission" but a good 80% of your previous post was an argument that if you got doxxed, you deserved it. And it just ain't so.Reddit's whole fear of doxxing stems from a culture of license where there's an irrational (and many cases, immoral) desire to be free of any or all negative consequences while enjoying all the positives.
There is a very simple rule to some stuff on the internet: if you wouldn't do something away from the keyboard, don't do it at the keyboard and expect some arbitrary internet rules to save you.
Applies equally to posturing for "brave" political views, romances or hookups, exposing your genitals and/or engaging in gossip.
So no, I don't fear posting because I post stuff I generally feel is reflective of what I really think and feel and am willing to say in public. Why make things more complicated than that?
That's clear. Here's the fundamental disconnect, as I see it. Your position - correct me if I'm wrong - is that Reddit's architecture encourages oversharing and Reddit's team does nothing to protect people from the consequences. My position is that you shouldn't start out by victim blaming three times over if this is your position. I'll spell it out for you: People have been trying to dox me for a long time. Do I "deserve" it? I've been an active and high-profile participant on a site that went from interesting to vicious to virulent so yeah - if "participation" equals "deserve" then yep, walked right into that one. But you've got an oddly moral leaning to it all that makes zero sense. As you point out yourself, Reddit went ass over teakettle doxing a dead college student so constantly harping on violentacrez makes little sense. I'll spell it out for you further: violentacrez was an enemy of mine. He spent months trying to trip me up and bring down the rage of the horde upon me because he thought it would be fun. I even asked him about it - wanna know what he said? "Nothing personal." Let's back this up to a quote: I hope you now see that things are vastly more complicated than that, and, in the words of Bill Munny, "Deserve's got nothing to do with it."I'm still not sure what you're getting at.
So no, I don't fear posting because I post stuff I generally feel is reflective of what I really think and feel and am willing to say in public. Why make things more complicated than that?
There you go again. Sure - maybe you're seeing people complain from those that - and you can't let this go - some how "deserve" it. But I didn't. My wife didn't. The mods of /r/gaming didn't. The kid who just put up a speech didn't. Would you know about any of those if I hadn't said anything? Perhaps, then, your perspective on the situation is flawed. And you're still harping on abstracts - sure, this shit ought to be against the law. In many cases it is. But it's a sophisticated police department that hears "I just shot my girlfriend and I have a bomb and I'm at this address" that immediately thinks "hmmm... I wonder if someone's butt-hurt on the Internet?" 'cuz there's no reward for caution. Far better to roll a command car and evacuate 500 apartments. So the real problem IS doxing. The real problem IS people with nothing to lose playing dirty tricks on people with something to lose. The real problem IS that waving your hands and going "it's an Internet problem" does not dismiss the fact that it's a REAL problem and that you aren't speaking from a position of authority when you've chosen a random alphanumeric string to carry out discourse. I'm done giving you excuses to morally impugn those that have been doxed. I've said three times now that it isn't about that, and three times now, you've come back with "well of course it isn't - but still, they deserved it." You're clearly playing lip service to the notion that maybe this is a problem normal people need to worry about and I'm not going to continue.
People who I don't like deserve to be harassed, am I right? :^)Because the people who complain about doxing the most these days --bar none-- have been the mods of the worst subreddits (the griefers, racists, gamer-fascists, the neoreaction groups, etc.)