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mrsamsa  ·  2289 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Why Rape Is Sincerely Hilarious

There wouldn't be a No True Scotsman there if they believe that a core principle of feminism is contradicted by someone who doesn't care about male rape or tries to excuse it.





galen  ·  2289 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Precisely. NTS is only a fallacy when one responds to a counterexample of a universal (e.g. "Here's a feminist that hates this video") by claiming simply that "no true Scotsman" (or feminist, autc.) would serve as a counterexample (by hating the video). It's a form of circular reasoning, when it's a fallacy.

OftenBen

OftenBen  ·  2288 days ago  ·  link  ·  

... Maybe I'm unusually thick today, but I still don't see the lack of fallacy.

tla asserts that not all [This large general group] are like [Offensive subset of group]

[Offensive subset] would assert that tla doesn't understand [General groups]'s core principles

tla says the same thing.

Both of them call themselves the same thing (Excluding differentiation between feminist and radfem which is a different conversation methinks).

Which one is correct in pronouncing the other's incorrectness? I know what the favorite is, but I'm not sure that it's a defensible position.

galen  ·  2288 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I mean, at that point it's an argument over semantics. But neither's reasoning is fallacious.

OftenBen  ·  2288 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    it's an argument over semantics.

Does that make it an unimportant one? Because the name that they both go by gets used to effect policy that goes on to effect lives.

galen  ·  2288 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I didn't intend to imply that it doesn't matter. The crux of my comment was "neither's argument is fallacious."

OftenBen  ·  2287 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Pardon me. It appears to be a sideline issue compared to the main popcorn show.