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Grendel  ·  1785 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Liberal Anti-Racist Pro Gun Control Kevin Sutherland Stabbed to Death by Black Man

If he'd had a gun and he hadn't sat next to a black guy, maybe now he wouldn't be dead?

ArtemusBlank  ·  1785 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It's also possible that a person that isn't black could have done the same exact thing to him. Also sometimes people attack so fast, there's no time to get your gun even if you had one. Imagine if someone surprised you with a stab to the throat or the head or shot you at point blank range, you could have the most powerful gun in your pocket but it will mean absolutely nothing if you're dead before you can reach it.

nothingleftinside  ·  1784 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Wow. If he hadn't sat next to a black guy he wouldn't have been murdered? Maybe I should avoid sitting next to black people on the train to reduce my risk of getting murdered.

DERPALERT  ·  1784 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Maybe I shouldn't go near people at all.

user-inactivated  ·  1785 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Guns don't work that way . . .

Grendel  ·  1785 days ago  ·  link  ·  

What do you mean?

user-inactivated  ·  1784 days ago  ·  link  ·  

A gun isn't some "ward evil" talisman. If the man got into such a situation where this happened to him, having a gun might not have done much more to help him out. Proper self defense is more about situation awareness and precautionary measures than it is about having a weapon or knowing how to fight. If a man is gonna sucker punch you and then stab you repeatedly, the chances of you being able to use your gun to protect yourself is somewhere on the scale between "zero" and "probably jack shit."

Grendel  ·  1784 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Situation awareness isn't going to help much when you're trapped in a train with some guy with a knife. A gun doesn't guarantee your survival, but it's a hell of a lot better than nothing.

user-inactivated  ·  1784 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Except 1) if he doesn't know how to use situational awareness, his gun is useless and 2) if he did not have a gun and still knew how to exercise situational awareness, he could modify his behavior to keep himself from being a target and/or discourage the man from attacking. Guns are a last resort and if you don't know the proper steps and techniques to avoid confrontations before they escalate then I can pretty much guarantee you that your gun is useless to you.

PetesPassing  ·  1785 days ago  ·  link  ·  

And maybe if the black dude had a gun they would all be dead.