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organicAnt  ·  3240 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Earthlings documentary - has anyone dared to watch it?

    Stop trying to sell me, and other meat eaters on the "Animals are people/animals feel feelings" argument which will continually fall on deaf ears, and use the SIGNIFICANTLY MORE IMPORTANT AND IMPACTFUL ARGUMENT that the way we farm is legitimately environmentally unsustainable and needs to be changed.

Absolutely, I'm well aware of the environmental damage caused by modern, chemical based, mono-crop farming practices which are totally unsustainable. I posted a documentary in the past called Cowspiracy which is about this very issue. People complained that they don't watch "conspiracy theories".

Now, I feel like I keep repeating myself over and over in these discussions.

In every animal rights discussion you'll hear someone say "this is not the right way to discuss animal rights". And that's natural since there isn't a single "right way" of activism.

As far I'm aware I'm free to use my free-speech to post whatever I want. Like everyone else I choose to post what resonates with me and everyone else has the choice to read, watch, listen to what I post or not. But just because YOU disagree with the content I share and my form of activism it doesn't mean that EVERYONE will disagree.

And lastly, to be selling something I'd have to be earning something back and the only thing I earn personally is personal abuse, insults and the same old excuses not to discuss a subject that is central to our way of living.





coffeesp00ns  ·  3240 days ago  ·  link  ·  

When you are arguing for something, you need to "sell" your argument to others. This ability is incredibly important to the effectiveness of your argument. As much as we would all love to be able to just drop facts on people and have them listen, the truth is that the facts often do not speak for themselves. As a result, we must speak for them.

When someone says that you need to "sell" an argument, that is what they mean. They don't mean that you see some benefit.

    As far I'm aware I'm free to use my free-speech to post whatever I want. Like everyone else I choose to post what resonates with me and everyone else has the choice to read, watch, listen to what I post or not. But just because YOU disagree with the content I share and my form of activism it doesn't mean that EVERYONE will disagree.

You can post whatever you wish. If you can't get people to even watch what you're showing them, let alone look at it (as you mentioned with "Cowspiracy"), then their own practices in a critical manner, you are pissing into the wind, and not being a good advocate for the very cause you support.

I'm not even talking just about the cause of animal rights, I'm talking about any argument or advocacy you do anywhere. What good is your argument if all it does is preach to the choir?

I'm for animal rights (to a point), and I think a lot more people are than would admit it, because the words "animal rights" bring up images of inadequately informed rich people who live in an echo chamber of their own experience. This image is reinforced by the documentaries that you've posted - They don't talk about the political and societal realities of choosing to, or choosing to NOT eat meat. They don't talk about the perception of meat as a representation of wealth, and what the political repercussions are for removing the availability of cheap, factory meat for people who can't afford to buy properly raised meat. Just saying "eat meat less often" is removing their agency in their own diet, and in their own lives. Yes, a vegetarian diet is often cheaper, but what does it mean, in America (or even in North America, or "first world society"), to be unable to afford to eat meat if you choose? Those are the things that NEED to be covered in documentaries that are sorely lacking.

organicAnt  ·  3239 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I'm for animal rights (to a point)

What do you mean?

Quatrarius  ·  3240 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    the same old excuses not to discuss a subject that is central to our way of living.

Look at all these responses to your point of view. Look at all these opportunities for debate. Don't dare say that we've dodged the subject.

organicAnt  ·  3239 days ago  ·  link  ·  

There's no need to get defensive. I am grateful for the chances to discuss the subject of animal rights, sadly if you into it closely most of the threads are about what an awful person I am. Or pointless remarks like this one that don't touch on the subject matter at all.

Quatrarius  ·  3239 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The point of my remark was to disprove your lie, not to join the discussion. I feel that there is no point in pretending to be civil to you and I am glad that you have taken the same course in your response to me. Thank you.

organicAnt  ·  3239 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I wasn't lying and you didn't disprove anything. The fact that you're not prepared to join the discussion just confirms my point. I'm sorry if I come across harsh, consider it a form of self defence when it feels that everyone is against you. You resorted to character assassination because you feel somehow threatened by what I said. Yet another ad hominem attack with no guts to join the debate.

But you are right, I'm a right ass hole for pointing out the unnecessary suffering caused by human greed and selfishness. By choosing not to partake in it and pointing it out, I'm the evil one. Take care.