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Khanstant  ·  4639 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: A Priori Reasoning, Mathematics, and those Goddamn Reddit Atheists
I'm a bit confused, are you upset that they don't know and appreciate the beauty of math enough or are arguing that math's nature somehow proves the existence of a paranormal force? Or is that what they are arguing? I tend to avoid the reddit atheist spheres because I can only handle being needlessly frustrated so many times a day.




riemannman  ·  4639 days ago  ·  link  ·  
It's essentially an issue of what "truth" means.

Reddit atheists sometimes will argue that truth can only come through science. That which is true equals that which has been observed/tested. Thus a priori arguments cannot produce truth. This is very convenient for them, as the only arguments for God's existence that hold any water happen to be a priori.

But it is simply untrue that a priori arguments cannot provide truth statements. My example is mathematics. Things like complex numbers were never actually observed or tested in the real world, yet they have been quite useful in predicting and explaining the world around us. To quote wikipedia, "the mathematical structure of a physics theory often points the way to further advances in that theory and even to empirical predictions... this is not just a coincidence and therefore must reflect some larger and deeper truth about both mathematics and physics." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unreasonable_Effectiveness

As a lover of both philosophy and religion, I wish r/debateanatheist and r/debatereligion were more civil and intellectual. sigh

insomniasexx  ·  4639 days ago  ·  link  ·  
    As a lover of both philosophy and religion, I wish r/debateanatheist and r/debatereligion were more civil and intellectual. sigh

I don't know if /r/theagora is still active but they used to have some interesting and extremely deep conversations there. Most went right over my head but you might like it.

riemannman  ·  4638 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Oh wow thanks. I definitely subscribed :)
thisisme  ·  4638 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Does a priori simply mean that it is something that has happened but cannot be replicated now?
b_b  ·  4638 days ago  ·  link  ·  
A priori translates from Latin to "from before". In philosophy-speak, it basically means that which exists outside the realm of human existence, especially ideas. Many argue that mathematics exist a priori, because, for example, 2 + 2 = 4 is true whether we thought of it or not. The opposite is a posteriori (from after), which refers to (and I'm being simple for brevity's sake) ideas that were concocted by humans.

Math is a great philosophical example of the difference between the two, because of the great debate about whether we discover math principles (a priori) or whether we invent them (a posteriori). Its a good and worthy philosophical debate, but I think it has very little to do with whether God(s) exists.

thisisme  ·  4638 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I appreciate the clear examples you give. I looked up the term in Wikipedia and while it shed some light, your examples are easier for me to grasp. I'm going to dig deeper in to the two different types of knowledge, you are right it is a "worthy philosophical debate". Thank you.
b_b  ·  4638 days ago  ·  link  ·  
NP. Of course when you try to explain a complex issue in two or three sentences, its not going to be a complete picture. But sometimes its helpful to have a simple foundation that you can build on.
thenewgreen  ·  4489 days ago  ·  link  ·  
    “If God dwells inside us like some people say, I sure hope He likes enchiladas, because that's what He's getting”
-Jack Handy

stumbled upon this tonight and thought you'd get a laugh from it too. Is it too low brow to have a "favorite jack handy" post on hubski?