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kleinbl00  ·  3738 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Meantime, Null Anaphora (a.k.a. "Minor Grammar Issues That Bug steve")

Context, as always, is king.

American English has no language college; there's no formal keeper of the flame like there is for Latin or Spanish. That allows the language to flow but it also masks certain developments. Thai, for example, has five registers - Street, Formal, Rhetorical, Religious and Royal. There are rules of grammar and diction for each. They basically codify that when you're writing a legal brief, you're going to use different grammar, diction and syntax than when you're buying a durian off a street vendor. We do the same here, of course - but we don't have any rules or guidelines that say "it's okay to do this in this setting but not that one."

There are rules for "street American" and they are very different than for "formal American" but since they aren't published anywhere, and since there's no agreement, all we know is that we're all taught "formal American" and that we get in trouble with our teachers with "street American" but if we use "formal American" on the street we get in trouble with our friends. It's a confusing situation.

Local news anchors have been screwing stuff up forever. You can generally tell how many copy editors have been over something by the correctness of the grammar. I start every morning with the Daily Beast's Cheat Sheet and I'm pretty sure I've done more proofreading of this post than they do of the entire page. It has to be a conscious choice on their part.

I once worked on a commercial where the tagline was gramatically incorrect. We'd shot it all day. I'd captured an hour of audio of it. And then the agency kept me late for no reason because they couldn't get their shit together. It was one of those gigs where the Agency gets a Starbuck's truck but crew gets Subway Tuna... you know what I mean?

So I waited until the 2nd hour of overtime as we were capturing wilds and mentioned "that's a split infinitive, by the way."

The bitch's eyes went big and she stuttered. I have no idea how badly I fucked her night, but I hope really badly.

Slightly related note: In defense of "like"





steve  ·  3738 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I omitted the second part of the TLDR which originally read "if you want to gain respect, write more like kleinbl00" but I didn't want to come off as too much of a fan boy (and we've had our bouts before… so you know, I must save face). Ha!

Seriously though, you have a way of balancing formal and street that few do. I think a lot of how we communicate is about context. If you and I were at a bar and you said "gotta piss - watch my shit" we would both know exactly what was up. If you said "Please excuse me steve, I must relieve myself in the lavatory. Would you be so kind as to attend my belongings and make certain that they are in place upon my return?", you would likely punch yourself in the mouth for sounding like Lord Grantham.

It's all about context…. except for the meanwhile/meantime thing - that's just straight up wrong. :-)

kleinbl00  ·  3738 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Straight up wrong indeed, old chap.

Dunno. I'll bet Lord Grantham goes to some rippin' bars.