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user-inactivated  ·  3417 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Can we cogently refute "stealing is stealing"?

I have, in fact. Although none of it is currently marketable regardless of whether it's truly original content or not, I do have more creative endeavours planned in the future, and in spite of that, I still think intellectual property is mostly a sham.





b_b  ·  3417 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Speaking from experience, marketability will probably change your perspective.

user-inactivated  ·  3417 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That's entirely possible; I've had pangs of thought about it before. Although, most likely, it won't involve open-source software. That stuff, where I develop it, has already culturally shifted its paradigm to the marketing of services around the software instead of the software itself.

thenewgreen  ·  3417 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think food should be free.

Have you ever owned a restaurant?

no, but I have a refrigerator but nobody likes the food I keep

I think if you owned a restaurant, you might change your thinking.

Ive considered opening a restaurant in the future

Yeah, let's revisit this topic after you open it.

user-inactivated  ·  3417 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I feel like I've struck a nerve somewhere.

But anyway, as for the restaurant analogy, I would object to the notion that I have to be a successful creator in order to even have an opinion on intellectual property. I'm still working on it (and I've tried a few times but they've all fallen flat), and in terms of making open-source software rather than works of art, I have actually gotten places with a team of people, and we make a game that's currently being enjoyed by a small community.

Perhaps my opinion won't be as weighty or relevant until I make something truly marketable, but to dismiss it outright seems a bit harsh.

    I have a refrigerator but nobody likes the food I keep

Perhaps I shouldn't have been so self-deprecatory when I said "my creations are so bad". A bunch of people have in fact expressed appreciation for the things I've created, and I've reached a lot of people with my work. By marketable, I meant something that would keep its presence on the large-scale commercial creative market, not just something a lot of people would like.

In fact, come to think about it, I've had a small business deal with a company in the past with regards to a game I created. So while I may not have opened a restaurant, I've definitely run a bake sale that turned up actual proceeds.

thenewgreen  ·  3417 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Of course you are allowed to have an opinion. I would never suggest otherwise. However, let's pretend that your "bake sale" was successful and that you depended on its success in order to do things like pay your rent, buy food etc. Now let's pretend that someone took your loaf of bread you were trying to sell and began giving it away, right next to you to people, some of whom would have gladly paid you for that same loaf of bread.

Also, for what it is worth you have not hit "a nerve" I just don't agree with you. I think it's been a cordial discussion. Also, in no way do I mean to suggest that you don't have the ability to create awesome software. I have no idea of your abilities, I just mean to suggest that your opinion would almost surely change if you were making software and getting paid for it and were reliant on that money and someone came along and stole it.

user-inactivated  ·  3417 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Also, for what it is worth you have not hit "a nerve" I just don't agree with you. I think it's been a cordial discussion.

Well, that's good.

    Also, in no way do I mean to suggest that you don't have the ability to create awesome software. I have no idea of your abilities, I just mean to suggest that your opinion would almost surely change if you were making software and getting paid for it and were reliant on that money and someone came along and stole it.

It just felt like you were acting just a tiny bit aggrieved with your "let's revisit this topic after you open it" line (and the "nobody likes the food I keep" line also came off as somewhat derogatory), especially since b_b had said essentially the same thing and you were replying to my reply to him as if to further force the point.