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user-inactivated  ·  3723 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Hubski, what are you doing with your life?

I've no illusion of what NaNoWriMo is, it's something I do for fun, nothing more. It's generally where I send ideas I know aren't great to die. When I lived in Chicago, going to NaNo groups (as sad as some of them were to look at) was about the only socialization I had - the sense of community is more important to me than anything I write during it. Having a place to send ideas that I know logically suck, but still want to write, is useful.

I write around 2,000 words a day in various projects (when I write, which is about four days a week), though ironpotato will tell you that I'm perfectly capable of annoying people with far more than that. Generally my writing is research/non-fiction (biographies, working on Christopher Isherwood right now). I've steadily increased this from my original 750 words a day, which I started sometime when I was a freshman in high school.

Also, as OftenBen said, anything that encourages anyone to take an interest in writing is something I'm all for. Not everyone has a dream of publishing a novel, some just want to write - which is perfectly fine with me. I've also never been interested in publishing anything written in a month. It took me about four months to write and edit my book (and it was quite short) to a point where I found it suitable - and now when I pick my copy up and flip through it, I can't stand to read it because we didn't take the ax to it hard enough (not in content, but in writing style).

Writing is about all I've ever been great at, and I enjoy doing it. NaNo is an excuse to write some of the stupider ideas, and I'm just fine with that.





ironpotato  ·  3723 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    though ironpotato will tell you that I'm perfectly capable of annoying people with far more than that.
I don't know if annoy is the correct terminology, but yeah, the man can write a lot.
kleinbl00  ·  3723 days ago  ·  link  ·  

This is the part I don't understand:

- If you don't want to sell it, you don't want anyone to read it.

- If you don't want anyone to read it, why do you need someone to tell you how to write it?

The idea that people need an excuse to "take an interest" in writing is a bad one. I suppose on some level somewhere it's "empowering" to discover that you can blather for a month straight and end up with something you don't want anyone else to read but I mean, fuck - Jack Nicholson did that in The Shining.

Writing is about storytelling. It's about conveying information from my head to yours. Stephen King calls it straight up telepathy and if you aren't trying to reach out to someone else, you're just "thinking."

It is a fuckin' tragedy that you wrote a book that you can't stand to read. But it is fuckin' archetypal that it's what NinnnyNinnyNooNoo is about.

You wanna talk about the death of reading, here it is: encourage people to type drivel for one month a year so they can be "novelists." That's why the writing magazines are all about low-residency MFAs and why literary agents are worshipped as gods walking the earth: we've created a culture where it isn't about what you write, it's about the fact that you closed Facebook long enough to puke-draft 50,000 words between Halloween and Thanksgiving.

Guaranteed: there were writer's groups that you missed out on because you were hanging out with the NaNoNinnies. They would have made better friends, they would have been more committed to success, and they wouldn't have let you put out a book that you didn't want to read.

I've written nine screenplays. I've optioned two. Eight of them are fan-fucking-tastic. I'll show 'em to anybody.

And that comes from a commitment to storytelling instead of typing.

user-inactivated  ·  3723 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm not sure why you're so angry about NaNo, but... I agree with everything you say about NaNo, I just don't come to the same end result.

I know what writing is, and I know what storytelling is. I read On Writing too, so I'm aware of the telepathy quote.

Being annoyed that I didn't edit enough isn't the same as not wanting to tell the story. I've told that story all over the place, as much as I can, because I love it. I gave it to the person who's judgement I hold above all others (with the exception of mine), and that's all I need. Wishing I'd edited more doesn't mean I don't like the story I told. I didn't write that book during NaNoWriMo because...

If I'm writing about something I care about, I don't need a bunch of shitheads in a cafe to tell me to write x number of words a day. If I love what I'm writing, I bleed it out of my pen until I have no ink left, and I buy ink by the barrel (<- see that? that's why I need to vacuum out). I've never written anything that I'm ashamed of, which is why if you troll around my website's subdomains you'll see pretty much everything I've ever written (samples of bigger projects I do want to sell). if I'm ashamed of an idea, it doesn't leave my head.

I use NaNo as a vacuum. All of the bad ideas and cliches that do get in my head, I pump them out during NaNo so I've got a more focused toolset when it comes to writing the stories that I love. My goal at NaNo is never to have something at the end to publish or be egotistical about, but to cycle out so all of my other writing benefits. If you don't approve of that or if you don't like it, that's fine. It's just what I do.

kleinbl00  ·  3723 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I'm not sure why you're so angry about NaNo,

Because it's everything that's wrong with the amateur literature industry.

Because I've had to read some of that shit and it's execrable.

Because people who can't work on something for more than a month shouldn't work on it for a month.

Because it discourages discipline and denigrates hard work.

    If I'm writing about something I care about, I don't need a bunch of shitheads in a cafe to tell me to write x number of words a day. If I love what I'm writing, I bleed it out of my pen until I have no ink left, and I buy ink by the barrel.

And when none of the above are true, you play NaNoWriMo.

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user-inactivated  ·  3723 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I use NaNo as a vacuum. All of the bad ideas and cliches that do get in my head, I pump them out during NaNo so I've got a more focused toolset when it comes to writing the stories that I love. My goal at NaNo is never to have something at the end to publish or be egotistical about, but to cycle out so all of my other writing benefits. If you don't approve of that or if you don't like it, that's fine. It's just what I do.
kleinbl00  ·  3723 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That's fine. But we started here:

    I did some world building and outlining for my NaNoWriMo project - something incredibly generic that'll probably never be finished because I never finish NaNo projects.

And I'm just not sure why you'd waste the effort on something that you hate.

user-inactivated  ·  3723 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You hate it, I see it as a tool. That's the difference.

kleinbl00  ·  3723 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It's a tool the way lawn darts are a toy. Do you see the distinction?

user-inactivated  ·  3723 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You're not hearing why I use it, that's fine. I don't feel the need to debate it further.

kleinbl00  ·  3722 days ago  ·  link  ·  

No, I've heard you all the way. You aren't hearing me when I say that your "tool" is harmful to your writing and your well-being.

And go ahead and mute me - but understand if I didn't give a shit about you and your writing, I wouldn't give a shit about this.

user-inactivated  ·  3722 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I have no plans to mute you. I disagree with you, and that's the end of it.

kleinbl00  ·  3722 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Thanks for unmuting me.

user-inactivated  ·  3722 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I did that a long time ago, but the same to you.