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_refugee_  ·  3468 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: I don't understand why you have to pay to live on a planet you were born on.

I'm dismissive because I find it impossible to relate to the impetus behind the question. It doesn't bother me that I am "forced to pay for" the world I "didn't ask to be born into." No one asks to be born and it is impossible to ask someone if they want to be born. So basically I feel like a big hullabaloo is being made over a matter whose significance is lost on me and some of it feels very petty indeed; by which I mean the part about "not asking to be born," really.

If you really didn't want to be born I agree with bb and the others in this thread. There's a solution for that. If your problem is just society, there are also solutions for that. They may not be comfortable but that is what you get in return for deciding to eschew the structures that are established in part to provide us comfort, at the cost of demanding some conformity - more depending on where you live.

Also it doesn't seem to me like OP is listening to the discussion with both ears open - but that may be because i can't emotionally relate and therefore empathize with his position.





OftenBen  ·  3468 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Also it doesn't seem to me like OP is listening to the discussion with both ears open

It's harder than you think. Likely he's heard a lot of these arguments (Or similar) before, and has found them lacking. I know that feeling, I bet most of us do.

To give a personal example, I know a lot of well educated people who find relief from existential anguish from a very literal interpretation of heaven or some other sort of pleasant afterlife. I can intellectually appreciate why they feel that way, but deep down it's not a satisfactory answer for me. I can't understand how they derive satisfaction from such answers, but they do.

organicAnt  ·  3467 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    If you really didn't want to be born I agree with bb and the others in this thread.

You can't be serious that you would honestly tell to someone who feels disillusioned with the system to go and die. To have 3 people in this thread suggesting this it's not just further depressing it's down right outrageous. Perhaps, just perhaps these people are a symptom that something is radically wrong with the direction we're going and that we should stop for a while and give it a thought.

    It doesn't bother me that I am "forced to pay for" the world I "didn't ask to be born into."

It's great to hear that your life is heading in a direction that makes you happy. The point of this thread is to address those who sadly for some reason just don't share your view, that all is great and fair. Do you have any constructive advice to offer to those, other than just telling them to go kill themselves?

    If your problem is just society, there are also solutions for that.

Care to share those solutions?

    They may not be comfortable but that is what you get in return for deciding to eschew the structures that are established in part to provide us comfort, at the cost of demanding some conformity - more depending on where you live.

It's disappointing that you can't conceive of an improved order that would cater for everyone's needs instead demanding conformity as a need. Keep thinking like that and you would make a great dictator.

_refugee_  ·  3467 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You clearly aren't interested in actually listening to dissenting points. You're flying off the handle - "great dictator" really? I think is have to express some desire to rule for that to qualify - and no. I don't have to agree to post. I can post my opinion which is what you're going to get when you ask hubski something.

My constructive criticism is that you should try appreciating the gift of life instead of resenting it. In other words grow up and get over yourself.

It's funny for all your dislike of the system I don't see you considering how to change it once in this thread.

organicAnt  ·  3467 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm sorry but to even suggest, to someone who's depressed or disillusioned, to commit suicide is insensitive, disturbing, very upsetting and not helpful. I hope that you never have to deal with any close ones in that situation... for their own sake.

    It's funny for all your dislike of the system I don't see you considering how to change it once in this thread.

If I knew how, there would be no need for this thread in the first place.

_refugee_  ·  3467 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I suggest you buy into the system until you can afford to buy out of the system.

I also suggest you go to therapy.

I've been suicidal before so you can get off your martyred high horse.