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b_b  ·  3564 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: $11,000 for Every Household: Could Guaranteed Income Work for America?

There's a world of difference between income tax and payroll tax. Income tax is progressive, and payroll tax is regressive. The payroll tax burdens the poor proportionally far more than the wealthy. The revenue it generates should be made up with a commensurate increase in the income tax, thereby reducing the tax burden on the poor. 12.4% is a shitload of money when you're making $20,000/yr. There is no standard deduction for the payroll tax, no exemption; it just is...until you make $117,000 or thereabouts. Above that level you cease to pay, because payroll is earmarked for social security, the theory being that the benefit is capped, so why shouldn't the contribution. That theory doesn't really hold water, because many people don't directly benefit from all sorts of services to which they contribute. In effect someone making $234,000 only pays 6.2%, and so on (and someone deriving their income from capital gains--the wealthiest, typically--pays 0%). Regressive taxes are a type of upward redistribution, and pretty much all economists from all sides of the political spectrum are against them. It's a universally despised way of taxation among all but the most ardent defenders of the wealthy.





nowaypablo  ·  3564 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    There is no standard deduction for the payroll tax, no exemption; it just is...until you make $117,000 or thereabouts. Above that level you cease to pay, because payroll is earmarked for social security, the theory being that the benefit is capped, so why shouldn't the contribution.

Jesus christ. So what you're saying is, people making over say $117,000 are taxed less, and the justification is that they won't be needing welfare so they shouldn't have to pay for it?

b_b  ·  3564 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yes.

The electorate is painfully unaware of this painfully obvious fact. Civics education is clearly in the shitter when even a well informed youngster like yourself doesn't know this.

nowaypablo  ·  3564 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Civics education is clearly in the shitter when even a well informed youngster like yourself doesn't know this.

You got that right. I'm not taught anything about this, I don't know anyone that is. I can tell you how to do okay on the SATs and that's just about all the applicable knowledge I was taught in school. Thanks for the explanation anyway, that's actually insane.

b_b  ·  3564 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I almost think that it's intentionally obscured. It doesn't show up on your 1040 form calculations in an obvious way, and half of the tax is paid by your employer on your behalf. Therefore, it's not staring you in the face like it should be. And the cap isn't well advertised by the media, and politicians have an incentive not to tell people they're getting fucked.