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lil  ·  3571 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: 2nd Bi-Weekly Give Me a Quote from Something You've Been Reading Lately

Great list. Thanks for posting it - lots of new alt music to discover. Good for your teacher for creating an approach to literature through modern music lyrics and recognizing modern music lyrics as literature.

    I've always felt that song lyrics didn't get quite enough recognition as meaningful art- they are often, I think, as much poetry as poems are.
Absolutely. Did you have to write something for this course?




TheGreatAbider16  ·  3571 days ago  ·  link  ·  

We did, yes. We started with a brief 2-page close-reading of a set of lyrics. Then we wrote a short paper (5-6 pages) on a song or poem of our choice from the first section of the syllabus, and our final project was a 10-page paper on 2-3 related songs of our choice or poems of our choice. We could also write comparatively about a song and a poem, do a creative response (in the form of a song or poem, or music video) and write a 6-page paper explaining it. I chose to write the longer paper because I mostly want to improve my writing skills, and the professor is incredibly helpful. She encourages us to to come weekly to office hours and she goes over our papers with us over and over, giving lots of concrete feedback on our writing.

We also had weekly quizzes, and twice we video-conferenced with working musicians/poets. For the conferences, we had to come up with lists of six analytical questions regarding the work of the artists. The questions were graded as small papers as well. The opportunity to talk to the artists for two hours about their lyrics or poetry was incredible.

lil  ·  3571 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    We started with a brief 2-page close-reading of a set of lyrics
Did the close reading make a difference to how you originally understood the song?
TheGreatAbider16  ·  3570 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah, absolutely! I had not realized how much meaning and careful writing I was missing by listening mostly passively to many artists. When I sat down and slowly and deliberately did close readings of songs, I found all sorts of new pleasure in artists that I have been listening to for years. I found that many writers employed lots of poetic devices, recurring images, symbolism, intricate metaphors, double meanings, clever word play, recurring images, and poetic tropes. There were even some that seemed to be very conscious of form, using enjambment and following patters in meter. Some artists have particularly cryptic lyrics, like Alt J and even The National, and I had previously not bothered to dig through them. But I found it very rewarding to discover deeper-than-surface-level content in the lyrics, and I feel that I get more out of the songs this way. Though I'll admit, I often neglect to be so deliberate, as it is often hard to find the time and motivation to sit down and pour over song lyrics.

At the same time, I found that some of my favorite artists have rather shallow lyrics that don't hold up well under a close reading. That's OK. Their music isn't worse, their lyrics just seek to accomplish something different than the lyrics of artists who write extremely consciously.

lil  ·  3570 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Yeah, absolutely! I had not realized how much meaning and careful writing I was missing by listening mostly passively to many artists.
The rhythm and musical effects distract us from the "meaning" of the words. I think thenewgreen would be interested in your comments given that he is a thoughtful songwriter. Meanwhile, every The New Green song previously available on hubski, seems to have been eaten: https://hubski.com/pub?id=130108

mk music gone?

TheGreatAbider16  ·  3570 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Very cool. I ought to give those songs a listen!

thenewgreen  ·  3570 days ago  ·  link  ·  

lil, thank you for the mention, I appreciate it. I've always been a fan of lyrics from an early age but mostly because I was writing songs. I've been in bands that played "originals" since I was 12 years old. I recall sitting around a small table, eating pizza with bandmates trying to collectively craft lyrics at 16. The words were MUCH different back then. Lot's of focus on rhyming and coolness. Later, I realized that the reason the words were so hard to come by was because I was thinking to much about the recipient of the words and wasn't focused on what I needed to say. Now, I allow the lyrics to just happen (at least when I can) and don't "try" so hard.

There are times that I will sit down and craft lyrics deliberately but it rarely leads to something worthwhile imo. I once decided to write a song around a single word. You know... like "Yesterday" by the Beatles. I came up with Almost. -That's a song I "crafted." Then there are songs that just happen like Grow Up -much more earnest imo.

But yeah, I really love lyrics.

A lot

mk  ·  3570 days ago  ·  link  ·  

All back. They weren't https, so didn't embed. We should retroactively update the video links.