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user-inactivated  ·  3625 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Ignore, mute, and hush: how they work, and how you expect them to work

I would appear to be losing the discussion before it even begins, but here I go.

What I assume when I ignore or mute someone: I will never see them again on the site. This (could be) an amazing difference from reddit, one of the most appealing things about hubski and a feature that allowed scalable self-moderation -- all in one fell swoop. Could be great. Instead, when I ignore and mute someone, I just have to hope they'll never respond to me again. Not only will I likely see them on the site often enough; it also won't be under my control at all if I do or not. Right now they have a nice small line through their name^, which is I guess supposed to do something.

How does that make sense? This is a major functionality of hubski that I first took for granted, then noticed was being subverted and assumed was broken. Now I'm told it's in fact how things are supposed to work.

I hate this feature, which sucks, because I don't hate a single other thing about hubski. I understand completely the argument mk made in the op. Allowing me to "moderate" what appears on mk's post is not good either. Doesn't mean we should forsake a different solution.

I'd like to tentatively propose a compromise, although I'm loathe to do so because it won't exactly fix what I consider a huge problem. If people I mute, hush and ignore can still respond to my comments, so be it (although doesn't that sound a little ridiculous?) -- but I should not get a notification. That doesn't make a lick of sense. So kill that and the problem gets ... cut in half, maybe.

^this is especially ironic since we don't have strikethrough functionality in markup yet.





mk  ·  3625 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    If people I mute, hush and ignore still respond to my comments, so be it (although doesn't that sound a little ridiculous) -- but I should not get a notification. That doesn't make a lick of sense. So kill that and the problem gets ... cut in half, maybe.

That seems reasonable to me. However, forgive me if I reach through the internet and slap the first person that asks me why they didn't get notified that a user they muted responded to them. :)

Does anyone think that this mute behavior would be unexpected?

thenewgreen  ·  3625 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think it make sense. Also, I just want to make sure flagamuffin's calls for a way to totally be rid of interacting with someone isn't marginalized. I agree with him that this could be an important function and a differentiator moving forward. That said, muting someone does guarantee that they will not see or comment on your posts -that's pretty huge IMO.

Flag, any suggestions on how to ensure you don't have people replying to you after they've been muted?

    I would appear to be losing the discussion before it even begins, but here I go
-come on, you know us better than that by now. This will be an ongoing discussion and we will likely test out solutions and your voice is as strong as anyone's in that process.
user-inactivated  ·  3625 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    That said, muting someone does guarantee that they will not see or comment on your posts -that's pretty huge IMO.

See that just seems obvious to me. What else would it do? But then I believe desperately in extra-strong moderation.

    -come on, you know us better than that by now. This will be an ongoing discussion and we will likely test out solutions and your voice is as strong as anyone's in that process.

No, no. Discussions on site changes tend to be loosely democratic. I was already in the minority when I began posting. Which is why I suggested a small and dissatisfying compromise. Democracy!

    Flag, any suggestions on how to ensure you don't have people replying to you after they've been muted?

Thinking on it. Nothing I can come up with that circumvents mk's problem with my choices moderating someone else's post. Which is a big problem, of course. So. Thinking.

kleinbl00  ·  3625 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You didn't used to get notifications when someone you'd muted responded to you. I don't. I like it that way.

And forgive me while I speak out of turn, because mk can actually answer this, but I think the discussion should be brought up:

The Achilles Heel of Reddit is the fact that in order to give you your page, with your friends, with your upvotes, with your downvotes, Reddit has to generate that page just for you. If you've got tags and shit that you've implemented through RES, that's client-side; it lives on your computer. The reason it doesn't live on Reddit is the site would crash and burn. It used to a lot. Reddit has long-since outgrown its code; we used to have more searching/sorting features but the use of them grenaded the site back in 2008.

So apply that to Hubski. We're both hanging out here in mk's post. You've got me ignored, but mk doesn't. So now Hubski has to completely regenerate the page just for you, and for you alone... and we're back in the land of unscalability.

"Never see them again" is unrealistic, in my opinion. "Never have to deal with them" seems better. Yeah, they can reply to you - but if you've got them ignored, you won't know unless you hang out in the thread (I've got a few ignored people who reply to me sometimes; I'll see it a week later through global).

user-inactivated  ·  3625 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    You didn't used to get notifications when someone you'd muted responded to you. I don't. I like it that way.

You don't? Am I missing something? I have been, but maybe I missed a toggle...?

    So apply that to Hubski. We're both hanging out here in mk's post. You've got me ignored, but mk doesn't. So now Hubski has to completely regenerate the page just for you, and for you alone... and we're back in the land of unscalability.

I'm not sure how to get around this problem (maybe it's not as a big a problem as I thought -- if it's only me that's bothered, etc).

kleinbl00  ·  3625 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think you suffer if you're completely unaware of the shit that bugs you. I also think you suffer if you're forced to interact with the shit that bugs you. I'm not sure why you're seeing something other than I am, but your experience would annoy me, too.

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