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b_b  ·  3912 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Carbon Crash, Solar Dawn

Friedman's column in today's Times suggested that we could use Putin's aggression as a pretext for forcing through a comprehensive energy policy that focused on renewables as a way to isolate gas and oil rich oligarchies such as Russia. Not such a bad idea, but really, what's the point of suggesting Congress do anything right now, given their obstinate state.





kleinbl00  ·  3912 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Times we could have done that:

1) Hitler's seizure of North Africa

2) Mossadegh's nationalization of AIOC/BP

3) The Saudi oil embargo of 1973

4) The fall of the Shah/Tehran hostage crisis

5) The Persian Gulf War

6) The Iraq War

b_b  ·  3912 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Haha. Yeah, it's a total fantasy. Ironically, the Iraq War was supposed to bring us more oil. Remember how the $2 billion that we would have to spend on the war was an investment that would be paid off by oil revenue within 6 months? Oh man, sometimes it's fun to reminisce.

kleinbl00  ·  3912 days ago  ·  link  ·  

for broad definitions of "fun"

b_b  ·  3912 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Well, the definition you and I hold for 'fun' likely isn't similar to this guy's:

kleinbl00  ·  3911 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Correct. "Shoot a donor in the face" has never been on my dayplanner.

user-inactivated  ·  3910 days ago  ·  link  ·  

oo, I dunno . . . I'd love to shoot a repelican in the face . . . I think it would be great fun - especially if I knew I would get away with it. Just think of how much fun it would be!

thundara  ·  3912 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Well, that's been an argument since I was a child: "renewables == no fighting middle east tyrants"

Not sure how legitimate it is as the saudi sands dry up and fracking / drilling in north america grows...

kleinbl00  ·  3912 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Fracking only works for natural gas, which has about a tenth the energy density of gasoline. You aren't going to see LPG cars any time soon.

Tar sands are much harder to get oil out of than wells. The only reason we're mining tar sands in Canada and not in Saudi Arabia is we don't have to mine tar sands in Saudi Arabia.

This discussion misses the point that the US hasn't mined much of our reserved on purpose. The goal is to let the other guy run out of gas first. Great Game bullshit but it's the truth.