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ButterflyEffect  ·  3698 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Music Anhedonia: Why some people don't like music

That's interesting to me, and I probably shouldn't be as surprised as I am by it.

    Do people really react emotionally to music?

I do. I am incredibly passionate about music. I have cried to it, laughed to it, got angry or placated while listening to it or playing it, any range of emotion you can experience I have probably experienced through music. JakobVirgil the first time I listened to All Hail West Texas it broke me down to the core. TV music does very little for me though, the same goes for movie music. I'm too busy paying attention to what's actually happening. The original Halloween does a great job in utilizing music to add to the film though.

The average of my scores was a 60, by the way.





JakobVirgil  ·  3698 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I played best death metal band out of denton he hemmed hawed and whined until the final refrain. He now owns all of Darnelle's albums.

lets all listen together.
Kafke  ·  3698 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I just listened to that from start to finished bored as shit the entire time. All I got was "typical acoustic guitar with a cute story attached". :\ Didn't think it was all that great. It's like the stuff my dad likes to play all the time.

JakobVirgil  ·  3697 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I am sorry for your loss.

Personally I am somewhere on the autism spectrum why over to the left close to humans. (I have been married twice and have children ) . If I did not have music to connect me with others I think I would be even farther Adrift.

I am sure that came out ruder then I intended it. I am sure you are an otherwise neuro-typical person and not getting Music doesn't effect you more than being color-blind would

Pribnow  ·  3697 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I am certainly not neuro-typical, but I certainly do get music. This song IS a typical acoustic guitar song with a cute story. Just because someone doesn't particularly enjoy a certain genre doesn't mean they don't "get" music. I also found the song boring beginning to end. It elicited a particular emotional qualia from me, I "understood" it, I'm simply not a fan.

I can also see a piece of visual art, have an emotional response, understand what the author intended, and not be a particular fan. That doesn't make me color blind. You are too sure of a lot of things.

_refugee_  ·  3697 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Kafke has stated in the thread that music overall does not affect him the way it seems most people are affected by it. Therefore, JakobVirgil is responding to this overall sentiment, the lack of enjoyment of music as a whole, with his "I am sorry for your loss" as much as he is responding to the specific comment of Kafke's when Kafke states he is bored by the song and doesn't get it.

    Just because someone doesn't particularly enjoy a certain genre doesn't mean they don't "get" music.

Sure, that's true, but again, that's not what JakobVirgil is responding to and that's not what Kafke has expressed with his post and throughout this thread. Kafke has clearly stated that music as a whole does not affect him the way it seems to affect others. It's not a matter of him not being a fan. JakobVirgil is not calling you colorblind because you found one particular song boring. JakobVirgil is comparing Kafke's specific experience and lack of connection with music similar to colorblindness because it's essentially the lack of a perception that most people seem to have (an appreciation of music).

Either JakobVirgil's too sure of a lot of things, or you're taking a conversation that's not about you and interpreting it to be about you.

Kafke  ·  3696 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    he is bored by the song and doesn't get it.

I got it. I understand the emotions within the song, as well as the overall "mood". Do I reflect that? no. Does it make me like the song more or less? no.

    Kafke has clearly stated that music as a whole does not affect him the way it seems to affect others. It's not a matter of him not being a fan.

This is correct. I can appreciate music I don't like just fine. I'm not a big fan of classical music, but I can recognize the skill and talent that went into it. But I'd say that my "lack of emotional responding" or whatever you'd call it, does indeed have an effect on my music taste.

    JakobVirgil is comparing Kafke's specific experience and lack of connection with music similar to colorblindness because it's essentially the lack of a perception that most people seem to have (an appreciation of music).

I would agree that it's similar to color blindness.

Pribnow  ·  3697 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I actually didn't notice that Kafka was the person who made the original post. I wasn't taking it as a conversation about me, I was taking it as a conversation about people in general.

_refugee_  ·  3697 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Perhaps you were responding talking about people in general, predominantly using yourself as a specific example. Most of your sentences revolved around your perception of music and your opinions, which is why I interpreted your comment as being a personal one.

His username is Kafke.

Kafke  ·  3696 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    His username is Kafke.

It's a common mistake :P.

JakobVirgil  ·  3697 days ago  ·  link  ·  

What _refugee_ said. :)

Kafke  ·  3696 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I can also see a piece of visual art, have an emotional response, understand what the author intended, and not be a particular fan. That doesn't make me color blind. You are too sure of a lot of things.

I don't have emotional responses to music. Which is what the article is talking about. It's not about being a fan or not being a fan.

Color blindness is an excellent way of putting it. A color blind person can certainly see and appreciate art, but lacks the ability to see certain colors within the art that other people can see. This would alter his experience and make him either like or dislike certain pieces and his opinions would be different than others because of it. He might like a piece because of the way it's organized, and other people could only see the strong contrast in colors that turn them away, which the colorblind person would never see. Alternatively, the color-seeing person could like the color use in a painting and like it for that reason, while a colorblind person might realize it's there (or might not) but can't and doesn't take it into consideration when they critique the piece.

Kafke  ·  3698 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I do. I am incredibly passionate about music. I have cried to it, laughed to it, got angry or placated while listening to it or playing it, any range of emotion you can experience I have probably experienced through music.

See, this is baffling to me. Like, I can't understand the concept at all. Do you find the lyrics funny/sad/happy/etc? I can get that, but then it'd be the same reaction from just reading them, rather than the song/music itself.

Would you say it determines the type of music you like? I would enjoy all of the same music that I listen to, even if you replaced the lyrics with gibberish. Or nothing for that matter. I enjoy the same music and it's karaoke/instrumental version.

    the first time I listened to All Hail West Texas it broke me down to the core.

I gave it a listen (though just briefly. one song all the way through and a couple others skipping around). Got nothing from it. A bit slow. A bit boring. Just some stories on top of plain music. I'd rather read the stories and get it over with faster than having to listen to a generic noise painfully waiting to hear the rest of the story.

    TV music does very little for me though, the same goes for movie music. I'm too busy paying attention to what's actually happening.

I find those are some of my favorite. Simply because I can listen to them later and recall the scenes from the movie or tv show. That and the music itself is pretty good and fitting for whatever scene it was made for. During the movie itself though I'm wrapped up in everything, and pay about as much attention to the music as I do the background.

ButterflyEffect  ·  3698 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It is the total package of the music. It is can be the lyrics, it can be the songwriting, it can be the context of the music itself or the way that fits into the package of an album or EP. It is always, always, the reverberation of a musical concept or expression of a persons life in the form of musical notes that moves me. I find it to be a beautiful thing. The thing with listening to lyrics as opposed to reading them is that you lose the passion of the voice, the inflection and whatever other emotion is conveyed the the singing itself. It is how I can relate to a particular piece of music in the context of the song having been written, or my life at the time, or anything else really. It's hard to explain but maybe that has given you an idea of what I'm trying to convey.

I can listen to anything from All Hail West Texas to this to this to this and get some sort of emotion out of it.

    I find those are some of my favorite. Simply because I can listen to them later and recall the scenes from the movie or tv show. That and the music itself is pretty good and fitting for whatever scene it was made for. During the movie itself though I'm wrapped up in everything, and pay about as much attention to the music as I do the background.

If it's well done then I can appreciate it. But that's easier said than done. Something like Halloween, Tron, The Godfather, or songs being used in a movie such as Fight Club work really well for doing exactly what you brought up.