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mk  ·  3752 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: A Parallel Between Present Society and Pre-Industrial Revolution Society

    So the current popular descent we're expressing will likely manifest itself in a new political system, but not before we get new energy, just like the previous transition.

What about simply de-centralized energy? With a solar roof and geothermal, I can build a house off of the grid here in Michigan. Residential solar has taken a dramatic shift where upfront costs are covered by companies such as Solar City, and customers pay off the investment and still save over utility power. It's now being wrapped into mortgages, where the cost of the mortgage on a new construction actually decreases if you put a solar roof in it.

I recently posted an article about a utility company's resistance to the surge in consumer-side production in Hawaii. Just imagine when those households all have EVs.

I think the energy transition is already happening. I have a couple of houses on my block that are basically off of the grid.





theadvancedapes  ·  3752 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yes, you're right. We won't just have new and more energy, but that energy will be controlled on an increasingly individual (decentralized) scale. I think there will be some control - but just not as centralized as our current infrastructure. The current transition is already happening. It is emergent in the same way the Internet was emergent in the 1980s and early 1990s. But it hasn't reached that critical mass and diffusion yet like the Internet did from 1995-2005. Soon it will. And then we will get the institutional change we want and need.

EDIT:

Energy is everything. The rest is detail.

rob05c  ·  3752 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Energy is everything.
I think there will be an Energy Singularity, just like the predicted AI Singularity.

Futurists talk about "Type 1 Civilizations" and "Type 2 Civilizations." I don't think those labels will apply. Energy doesn't "go away" when we use it. It simply turns into a form that's less usable. I think we'll eventually figure out how to recapture all "waste" energy. Hence, the energy available will be effectively limitless. Energy will no longer be a limiting factor, for anything.

I think we'll reach that stage long before we would otherwise reach Type 2 on the Kardashev scale. It may even be engendered by the AI Singularity.

Disclaimer: I'm a software engineer, not a mechanical engineer or a physicist.

theadvancedapes  ·  3752 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I think there will be an Energy Singularity, just like the predicted AI Singularity.

Agreed. This is really the point I am trying to emphasize - and have tried to emphasize in my talks about Global Brain. We can't have a singularity or a global brain without "energy singularity" (if you want to call it that). We don't get abundance and unlimited opportunity without exploiting a new and sustainable energy source. All of the "neurons" in our "global brain" require enough energy to function adequately (and by adequately I mean they should be able to do whatever they want - whenever they want (as long as they don't harm another consciousness)).

Disclaimer: I want to smash things when I think about the Koch brothers.

mk  ·  3752 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Interesting that shortly after this discussion I found this article:

    SolarCity wants to raise billions of dollars in capital—from you

If they are able to use individual investor money to fund the installation of panels, it will quicken the pace of solar installations even more.

theadvancedapes  ·  3752 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Whenever I see the changes occurring within our system caused by emerging tech, I can't help but think that all of these crazy future scenarios we discuss are much closer to major system changes than even radical predictions suggest.

One thought that came to me last night was that our predictions for a system change may be conservative because our years are getting shorter. All this means is that more changes in a year. And by change I mean that more gets done. Our system is getting increasingly efficient. Our global conversations are happening at increasingly fast paces. And all too often people don't really factor in "the ratchet" or exponential change. When I see that Watson is now going open-source and developers are going to be able to use Watson to build all types of "Watson-apps" related to education, economics, etc. and when I see that smart phone and tablet penetration in the developing world is likely to reach full penetration before 2020... I can't help but think about the power that will be in all of our hands. Not-to-mention all of these devices will have very smart operating systems in the 2020s. Everyone will have a great doctor. Everyone will have a great teacher. And they will all learn with us and consequently be personally tailored to our needs.

Basically, shits about to go down.

humanodon  ·  3752 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Basically, shits about to go down.

See, this is where that tagline I suggested a while back, would be punchy.

    Basically, shits about to go down. And that's the Last Word.

BOOM

thatguywithshoes  ·  3752 days ago  ·  link  ·  

EV surely is a nice complement for the private household but comparing that to the surge which coal brought to society is a bit over the top. Fusion could be something as revolutionary. It is fine and dandy to live off the grid as a single household, it is a whole different thing if you are talking about industry. They mostly need huge amounts of power 24/7. That is something Solar and wind are not capable of delivering. Geothermal is only viable in some specific places. With wind and solar you always need something to fall back on and that is typically gas or coal. All those servers and serverfarms also want to stay online 24/7.

Also electricty generation is only about a quarter of all the energy a society consumes. Also I never heard anything about decentrealized geothermal plant. Those drilling operations for a geothermal plant aren't exactly cheap. I don't see your concept hapenning anywhere in the forseeable future.