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kleinbl00  ·  4011 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Thoughts on the Fast Food Strike?

Speaking as a union member:

    “These demonstrations are a coordinated PR campaign engineered by national labor groups where the vast majority of participants are activists and paid demonstrators; relatively few restaurant workers have participated in the past,” the organization said in a statement.

Yup, that's pretty much how we roll.

Fast food wages are a larger problem - they're a symptom of an economy that does not value a living wage. One day strikes are not going to change that. Long strikes are not going to change that. The fundamental issue is that labor unions arose out of a need to protect skilled labor (arguably; the Teamsters kinda throw this into question) and most of the skilled jobs have been shipped overseas, automated or otherwise eliminated.

I want to see fast food workers make a living wage. The only reason they will ever do so is if they become skilled laborers. Dick's in Seattle has a long history of paying its employees pretty well, comparatively speaking, and offering nice benefits. It also requires its workers to know a good deal more about food prep and maintenance than Mickey D's does. There's a burger joint on Pico called The Apple Pan that employs guys who have been there for like 30 years. They're damn good at what they do. But their burgers also cost four times what they do at McD's.

Really, for the economics of fast food to work out for fast food workers, fast food has to become slow food. I'm all for it, but I don't see it happening without a massive cultural revolution.





b_b  ·  4011 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Really, for the economics of fast food to work out for fast food workers, fast food has to become slow food. I'm all for it, but I don't see it happening without a massive cultural revolution.

The economics of fast food are kind of mind blowing, and IMHO can't work in any way, no matter where the minimum wage is set. The problem is that (and I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir here, so forgive me) there are so many externalities built into a goddam Big Mac, the the true price probably is the same price as that place in Pico. My primary research field is in stroke recovery. Stroke is a $75 billion industry, and cardiovascular disease in general dwarfs that (obesity and diabetes will be a $1 Trillion industry in the next decade or two; seriously a Trillion fucking dollars that people have inflicted on themselves). Fast food isn't the only problem there, but it's sure a big one. Keeps my paychecks hot, but I would still rather live in a world where I didn't have to do the work I do (but don't get me wrong, I love what I do). Between the environmental cost and the health cost, there's a good case to be made for a several hundred percent excise tax on fast food and soda. I know it won't ever happen (the sugar industry spends a silly amount of money given their relatively small size, and (yippie!) they have both Dems and the GOP in their corner), but I guess it's still a good thought exercise to imagine how the world should look.

kleinbl00  ·  4011 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    The problem is that (and I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir here, so forgive me) there are so many externalities built into a goddam Big Mac, the the true price probably is the same price as that place in Pico.

The whole food system is pretty horrifically gerrymandered. Start with the fact that according to the USDA, if it's not corn, potatoes, wheat or soy, it's a "specialty crop." Carrots? Specialty crop. Spinach? Specialty crop. Apples? Specialty crop. Not "food." That's not even getting into beef subsidies, wheat subsidies, etc.

If you haven't read The End Of Food you should.

b_b  ·  4010 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Thanks for the rec. Just ordered.

beezneez  ·  4011 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You bring up a few great points. The sugar industry certainly hasn't had the most darling history with labor issues. I didn't even consider that they'd be politically involved in this kind of issue.