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comment by AnSionnachRua
AnSionnachRua  ·  3817 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: "Why I'm not proud of being gay"
I don't know. He's just being pedantic, really. I'm always wary of someone who reaches for a dictionary to solve an argument; dictionaries only contain certain words and usages.

Prides, to the best of my knowledge, do not exist to make LGBT people feel special - to a certain extent, they do the exact opposite. They tell the rest of society that such people are normal and that there is nothing wrong with being queer. It's pride in the face of a society that thinks less of you for being gay.

scarp  ·  3817 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Absolutely -- gay pride is, in a major way, a rebuttal, a push back against societal discrimination and hatred. Bering doesn't deny this. But the notion of pride and all that it entails runs counter to what the movement should try to achieve. As a gay man, the values I would like to see promoted by the community are confidence and self-esteem -- not pride. As the author notes, the absence of pride is not equivalent to shame.

It is on some level a pedantic argument, but words are important. Words shape how we feel and portray ourselves more than we realize. So I think it's important to craft our message carefully: be happy, be confident, but don't be proud.

Relevant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDgmjL6z2jY

thenewgreen  ·  3817 days ago  ·  link  ·  
"Being Irish isn't a skill"! -He was the best!
AnSionnachRua  ·  3817 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I agree. Pride of one's sexuality, no matter what it is, is silly.
fr33lunch  ·  3817 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I'm somewhere between MK and scarp on this one. Pride for your heredity is foolish and arrogant, but being proud for having the courage to come out as gay is something else. At the very least that deserves pride in yourself.

For one of my friends, it was as simple as telling her mom--who was also gay. My uncle had a very difficult time with it. My uncle has lived with the same "roommate" for the last 40 years. He grew up in the Catholic church, during a time that such self-actualizations did not happen in public. To this day, no one speaks of it. That is a shame.

scarp  ·  3816 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I think I see where you're coming from; there is a pride in the courage it takes to come out and to identify as gay, and that pride is hard-earned and ought to be celebrated. I agree! I think this all ties in with being confident and courageous, but I won't disagree that there is some healthy pride in that as well. :)
lessismore  ·  3817 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Let it be said that I am silly. I am damn proud of my sexual orientation.