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goobster  ·  1265 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Republican senator says ‘democracy isn’t the objective’ of US system

The religious are useful idiots for true Conservatives, who know they are an easy source of cash, if you just say a few choice words. Pull the lever, and out comes the treat.

My Mom worked on policy. Taxes. Lobbying Senators, Legislators, and Governors on behalf of truly terrible policies that we see the fallout from (literally, Flint, Michigan) today.

Zero of those lobbyists and legislators had an ounce of true Christianity in them. It was a hat they wore to get into the party.

The work actually happened in the rooms where my Mom was.





OftenBen  ·  1265 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You know what "true Christianity" is?! Do tell.

I ask again

When in your life have you believed personally that you had divine right to impose the law of the Bible on your fellow man?

For me it was from birth until about age 17.

kleinbl00  ·  1263 days ago  ·  link  ·  
OftenBen  ·  1263 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Who used the term "true Christianity?"

Was it me or goobster?

kleinbl00  ·  1263 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Your opening statement:

    I know republicans better than anyone on this site.

Goobster came back with my Republican credentials-of-suffering tower over yours.

You came back with

    When in your life have you believed personally that you had divine right to impose the law of the Bible on your fellow man?

Therefore, "no true republican" doesn't "believe personally that they have divine right to impose the law of the Bible on their fellow man."

Goobster's argument is that your perception of "Republican" is "fundies like I grew up with" based on your n of 1 whereas his perception of "Republican" is based on policy, lobbying and fundraising.

Your counterargument is, effectively, if you are not a fundamentalist you are not a Republican.

Which is nonsense.

OftenBen  ·  1263 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I am trying to say that I have held the beliefs of the average republican voter.

Nobody else on this site other than hootsbox will admit to the same.

kleinbl00  ·  1263 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That's not true. You're trying to say that you have a better understanding of Republicans than "anyone else on this site" and as evidence you're using your juvenile experience in a single religious sect.

I one-true-Scotsman'd you because your argument has shifted from I am the supreme Republican expert because of my fundie parents to one cannot know Republicans without a deep, personal and disavowed belief in fundamentalism. "I am an expert in X because of Y" does not work when someone else says "I have more experience in Y". Unfortunately, you cannot then say "I am still more of an expert in X because of Y-triple prime" because Y-triple prime was not a part of your statement.

And we both know - c'mon, you know - that if you had said "I have more experience with the Republican party than anyone on this site because my fundamentalist family raised me with Christian values" a number of people would have pointed out that Christian values are a subset of the Republican party, not the other way around, especially considering the 2020 platform is "whatever Trump says" and that dude can barely hold a bible right-side-up.

So what you're trying to say is I wanna fight and you're always wrong and if you have defeated my argument it is because I was saving my new improved argument for last and you need to understand down to your very bones that the only reason I put up with this shit? While nobody else does? Is a deep and abiding personal empathy with your plight and your viewpoint but I'm here to tell ya, dawg, you look foolish.

goobster  ·  1262 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Thanks for doing the work here. Sometimes I tire of pointing out his bellybutton to him, yet again.

goobster  ·  1262 days ago  ·  link  ·  

And the simple fact that you have fallen for the belief that Christian fundamentalism is a "Republican" thing, shows how well they played you.

Once again; they are not Christians. It's a lexicon they employ when they want you to jump.

OftenBen  ·  1263 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Having a parent who works for the RNC cynically manipulating the morelocks is not a predictor of holding the same beliefs as the morelocks.

OftenBen  ·  1263 days ago  ·  link  ·