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thenewgreen  ·  4661 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: “It’s A Brick” – Tesla Motors’ Devastating Design Problem
Not to be a dick, but if you can't remember to charge your Tesla Roadster for 11 weeks you deserve to have to pay $40,000. It's not an iPhone, it won't deplete charge in 5 hours. You paid upwards of $120k for the car, plug it in.




mk  ·  4661 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I'm not sure why there wouldn't be a simple solution for this. At the very least, slap a solar panel on that thing.

At any rate, I hope it's not an issue. I bought stock in Tesla 2 days ago. I kid you not.

dublinben  ·  4661 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I read that as you just bought your own Tesla roadster, and was about to call foul. I hope that if anybody on here had such an awesome car, they'd be sharing it.
mk  ·  4661 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Oh do I wish.

Maybe if the stock does really really well, that can be my reward.

I wonder if you can smell ozone when you peel out.

dublinben  ·  4661 days ago  ·  link  ·  
If the torque is anything like that in my hybrid (which it is) they'll be hella fun cars to drive.
thenewgreen  ·  4661 days ago  ·  link  ·  
HA, HA, HA! That's hilarious. I don't think it will be an issue. I mean, look at that car... it's bad ass!

http://www.auto-smart-cars.com/2011/09/tesla-roadster.html

mk  ·  4661 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Oh it is.

But TBH I actually bought stock in Elon Musk, and my desire to get rid of gasoline cars.

forwardslash  ·  4661 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I assume you've seen "Who killed the electric car"?
mk  ·  4660 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Yes, interesting movie.

I think the supplier chain is much more fragmented, agile, and competitive these days, so IMO that this is a major obstacle removed. The infrastructure built around the internal combustion engine isn't as rigid as it used to be.

Aside from faith in Elon Musk, that's one of the factors that makes me think Tesla is realizable. I am basically betting on a startup disruption of manufacturing industries. More agility, less overhead, and more distributed. We shall see.

thenewgreen  ·  4661 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Seriously, how could you not be bad ass with a name like Elon Musk?
kleinbl00  ·  4661 days ago  ·  link  ·  
That's not the issue. The issue is that owners of a six-figure luxury car are being misled as to the maintenance requirements for their vehicle, are being left without financial recourse or protection, and are quite possibly having their privacy violated in furtherance of a marketing cover-up.

Presuming it's true.

I used to build electric cars. They're hella simpler than gas cars. There's a pretty simple way to fix this: you put a floor on your battery discharge and if you get below that limit, you pop the contactor and throw all your auxiliary systems into hibernate mode. You get on your GSM network and you have the car send you a text saying "your battery is fucked, yo, hurry up and fix it." Finally, you set the thing to give off an audible alarm. All this stuff is easy to do, particularly when you have an operating system.

Here's the thing: your iphone won't do this. Your Leaf won't do this. If Teslas really are doing this, it's a big fucking problem.

The thing is nothing more than a Lotus Elise with an alternate drivetrain, and electric drivetrains are stupid simple. If there's anything to this, it's wholly inexcusable.

scarp  ·  4660 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Why does anyone deserve to be punished for thinking that their electric car's battery would work any differently than the ones in their other electronics, especially when Telsa allegedly isn't informing them that that is definitely not the case?
thenewgreen  ·  4660 days ago  ·  link  ·  
especially when Telsa allegedly isn't informing them that that is definitely not the case? -This needs to change. Otherwise, you're right. I was just stating my frustration with some peoples irresponsibility. I've never run out of gas in my car. I'm not sure how anybody with a functioning gauge could. This seems similar to me.

Of course, if Tesla isn't being forthright about the need to keep the thing charged, then they're at fault and the consumer is not an idiot. Otherwise, I stand by my frustration.

scarp  ·  4660 days ago  ·  link  ·  
> I've never run out of gas in my car. I'm not sure how anybody with a functioning gauge could. This seems similar to me.

I imagine the type of people who drop $100,000+ on an electric sports car have more than one vehicle, and that the Tesla is likely just one of their hobby cars. Also keep in mind that battery power fades whereas gasoline doesn't; it very well could be the case that the last time our hypothetical Tesla driver parked his Roadster it was fully charged, but then depleted over weeks of neglect.

Of course, you could also make the case that it's wastefully flamboyant to buy a car just because it's fancy and expensive and then not even drive it, and I would agree; but that's another conversation altogether.

EDIT: additionally, even when you do run out of gas, it would still be excessive to say that you deserve to have to pay $40,000 to get a new engine (obviously gas-powered cars don't work that way, I'm stretching the metaphor a bit, but you get the idea).

thenewgreen  ·  4660 days ago  ·  link  ·  
You, of course, are right.... it is excessive to say that.