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ButterflyEffect  ·  3515 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: A post where I share things I don't normally share with people.

    That clash between instinct and understanding is at the center of the human condition.

Amen to this. Maybe you're the same way, maybe you're not, but I am constantly at odds with myself on opinions, courses of actions, what I want from life and myself. It's a struggle to define that.

I'd say reading Heinlein is still productive, it's not like you were sitting around doing absolutely nothing. I care about getting a future, but the problem is finding something I want to do for 8 hours a day 5 days a week. That's terrifying, isn't it? Not sure if you've encountered this, but I've met so many people who just work their job for the paycheck and hate getting up for work in the morning. That seems like a terrible existence.

Cards win tonight?



user-inactivated  ·  3515 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Cards won today. The saving grace of my September. Incredible team.

There's nothing I want to do 40 hours a week. There shouldn't be anything anyone wants to do 40 hours a week. That's the damn problem. Our society lacks adequate alternatives.

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ButterflyEffect  ·  3514 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It must be nice to have a team that doesn't continuously disappoint. The Jeter retirement train has been a travesty.

I will wholeheartedly agree with _refugee_ on sleep, but that's about the only thing worth doing 40 hours or more a week.

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thenewgreen  ·  3515 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    There's nothing I want to do 40 hours a week. There shouldn't be anything anyone wants to do 40 hours a week.
-The contrarian in me sat here trying to think of something to combat that statement with. You know, music, playing with my kids etc. but the truth is, I would not want to do anything that much. All things in moderation, even those things that bring us joy.

I do think that many progressive companies are starting to recognize this and are giving more "flexible" work environments, which isn't a solution but it's nowhere near as horrible as it could be.

I consider that my father worked on a lathe 50 hours a week when I was growing up and thank my lucky stars that he never allowed me to follow in his footsteps. -I tried.

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_refugee_  ·  3514 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    here's nothing I want to do 40 hours a week. There shouldn't be anything anyone wants to do 40 hours a week.

    -The contrarian in me sat here trying to think of something to combat that statement with.

Uh, duh guys, it's sleep.

When I figured out that even on a ROUGH week of sleep I generally put about 40 hours in I decided that, if I have to be defined by something I do 40 hours/week for the rest of my life, I'm going with "sleeper."

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user-inactivated  ·  3514 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I certainly don't want to sleep 40 hours a week and if I could healthily get away with it I would sleep much less. I like not being dead for a third of my life.

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thenewgreen  ·  3514 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah, I also enjoy breathing at least 40 hours a week but just sort of thought that answer was assumed as well...

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_refugee_  ·  3514 days ago  ·  link  ·  

OH FINE

;) Sleeping is less obvious, I think.

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user-inactivated  ·  3515 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Lathes are very cool, I used to get to use one (or something similar) in shop class -- a maximum of five hours a week. Which was just about how I liked it.

    I do think that many progressive companies are starting to recognize this and are giving more "flexible" work environments, which isn't a solution but it's nowhere near as horrible as it could be.

I'm writing my senior thesis on issues pertaining to this at the moment (or ha! should have been but I read sci fi all day). The problem is that the flexibility often comes within the framework of a tacit worship of that 40 number -- which is entirely arbitrary, of course -- rather than a reverence for productivity, which is the only thing that matters. The phrase my research revolves around is "the fetish of full employment" which is the best sentence I've ever read within the context of economics. Ideas like that make our society real scary to be "entering" at 21-22. I dig this thread.

EDIT: I'd be surprised if anyone on hubski can think of something they honestly would like to do 40 hours a week, if they had utter free choice. I'm sure there are some outliers, but I can't think of anything personally. I even get tired of thinking sometimes.

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thenewgreen  ·  3515 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I suppose it's assumed that we work 40 plus hours a week remotely, but nobody polices this. We have tangible goals and we either reach them, or we don't. If you don't, you don't make $. Some people can likely reach these goals in 25 hour weeks, others may take 50+. It has to do with proficiency, ability and in many cases geography. I like working towards a goal and not a time clock. Makes WAY more sense.

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