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    I don't think you can really compare SRS pointing out shitty comments to Stormfronters and Coontown members

You're right, they are often worse! Nothing says equality and justice for all like doxxing (actual doxx, not a skiddy facebook doxx) people and harassing them across the internet encouraging people to kill themselves.

    They also have the opportunity to live their lives without being challenged for their racism

Isn't the fact that you and seemingly half of the internet seek to silence their admittedly disdainful activity proof to the contrary?

    Probably not the best example, TwoX was overrun by MRAs and men in general and so all the women had to leave...

Yep, absolutely infested with MRA's

Nice straw man though.

    That's certainly a common stereotype but not really true

Do you require more evidence? I am certain I can provide mountains of it.

    Framing it as an issue of "ideologies" is a little disingenuous, generally the protests occurred with people who have endorsed incest, date rape, etc.

This is unequivocally the most disingenuous disgusting thing that has come out of this discussion.

Let me get this straight; You believe wholeheartedly that anyone who does not conform to a left leaning feminist political spectrum endorsed incest, date rape and more?

Think about that.

    Exactly! So why force minorities out of our communities instead of being more inclusive and having a discussion with them?

Nobody is forcing minorities out. I don't recall seeing a post on reddit from the admins saying "Sorry, we don't want the brown folk and jews here anymore!". You instead create a hypersensitive hugbox that in general drives traffic away because of its unwelcoming atmosphere (Take a look at Alexa rankings for reddit recently if you are doubtful). Reddit (already infamous for it's hivemind activity), becomes an even larger echo chamber, where you can circlejerk as long as your arms allow.

    But nobody is talking about silencing them.

Except you're doing just that..

    They still have free speech, they can just do it elsewhere.

It's hilariously ironic that you use this specific phrasing. Gee, it reminds me of something oddly familiar and related to this topic..

    I'm not going to invite one to stay in my house though. That's not "silencing" them because I don't allow them in my private space

The internet is NOT your private space. It never has, and never will be.

    But secondly, the common myth about the Church stifling views has been debunked so many times.

Citation required, because every reputable resource refutes your claims.

    free speech for bigots vs free speech for minorities.

I'm sorry, but that's just not how it works. Part of free speech is accepting the fact that other people with dissenting/disagreeable opinions will also be able to have a voice.

Do I like the stormfronters on coontown? No. Do I like the radfem harassment from places like SRS? No. Do I think either of them deserve to be censored/deleted? Absolutely not. At the end of the day, regardless of how stupid or wrong their statements or viewpoints may be, they are people. I guess this may be idealism, but I don't think anyone should be robbed of their voice.

    Yet, that action of allowing such speech means that most minorities aren't going to want to go there

This logic doesn't pan out. On the flip side, wouldn't the fact that minorities post on the community mean that stormfronters would not sign up? Clearly this is not the case, as looking at reddit, there is an incredibly wide variety of communities, many in clear conflict of the other. /r/MRA existing doesn't stop /r/TwoX from existing, and vice versa.

    speech for people to say hateful things or the speech from minorities

You say this again here, but I just can't wrap my head around where exactly this mentality is coming from. The speech of minorities is worth no more or less than anyone else's. By that logic, because Caucasians are technically a minority in the world, does the word of the Caucasian hold more weight, and people of color should not be allowed to criticize them?

    Take universities and academic journals, for example.

It's funny you should mention these, because that's exactly what happens. If I were to ask you to describe the typical political spectrum of the average college student, and their viewpoints, I think we can both agree that the stereotype adheres to them quite well. Left leaning, probably close to the idea of what a stereotypical "Social Justice Warrior" (you know my meaning on this) would be. What do you think would happen if someone of an opposite ideology attempted to debate something?

Here's an example:

It's strange you mention academia and then also try to state that they are somehow also apply this logic. Do you so quickly forget what comes of the stifling of opinion and ideas in academia? There was an entire period of history where the views of anything that contradicted the norm at the time (the church in particular), was viewed as blasphemy and it was indeed a literal echo chamber of opinions.

At it's core, this issue has nothing to do with bigots, misogyny, misandry, racism, sexism, whatever. It has to do with instead of taking the opportunity to interact with your fellow man, and use the opportunity to engage them and provoke true thought provoking discussion, you silence them. What good will ever come of silencing someone? I think it's much more fruitful to engage the racist/sexist/misogynist/misandrist/bigot, to talk and reason with them. Only then will you come to an understanding and have an opportunity to change their perspective.

    "White Knight cuck".

You fell into the age old trap of the internet.

"Do not feed the troll"

I completely disagree.

I don't believe any sect of the internet deserves to be nuked. Sure, I don't agree with a lot of them (Take for example, Stormfront), but that's kind of the thing behind the ideology of "Free Speech"; it also applies to things I find distasteful and things that i disagree with.

I just don't think it's in the best interest of any web space of discussion to stifle an opinion of any kind. It creates a situation where the site takes a stance on things, and eventually you end up with an echo chamber of dull discussion.

Imagine if Facebook suddenly started to ban/censor people that mentioned (for the sake of this discussion) anything pro left. Eventually, you would end up with an echo chamber of right wing political discussion, which really makes any actual discussion (ie: Not just dank memes gargled up from the depths of the internet) quite dull.