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kleinbl00  ·  2715 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Hubski PSA: Reply-alerts and comment-alerts have been combined

Your scenario is valid. It comes down to three opinions, which in your perspective (as Person C) break down as follows:

1) What person A wants: To share content with people whose opinion he respects

2) What person B wants: To comment on content he finds interesting

3) What person C wants: To read and contribute to commentary on content he finds interesting

Let's look at it from Person B's perspective:

1) What Person A wants: sycophantic praise for tired, tedious content

2) What Person B wants: the right to call a spade a spade

3) What Person C wants: Person B's commentary on Person A's content

Not so rosy any more, is it? Now let's look at it from Person A's perspective:

1) What Person A wants: To share content with people whose opinion he respects

2) What Person B wants: To watch the world burn

3) What Person C wants: To read and contribute to commentary on content he finds interesting

It becomes clear that Person C's wants and dreams are fairly constant in this universe, while Person A and Person B's wants depend a lot on perspective. Considering all three perspectives are valid, and considering that commentary often matters as much as content, there's no obvious way to resolve the situation. BUT:

Without Person A's instigating the discussion, there's no discussion at all. There's no content. There's no conflict. And if he can't share content without being free of Person B's hassling, he's not likely to contribute. This is, after all, a site founded on following individuals, not subjects. You can block people on Twitter, you can block people on Pinterest, you can block people on Tumblr, you can block people on Facebook.

So in theory, Person A's interests should overrule Person C's.

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HOWEVER it doesn't work that way.

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Person C can shout out Person B. Person B can now comment on Person C's shout-out. And Person A can do fuckall about it.

Problem solved. To the detriment of Person A, I might add.

So I'm not sure what your objection is.

mk, correct me if I'm wrong.





user-inactivated  ·  2715 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Person C can shout out Person B. Person B can now comment on Person C's shout-out. And Person A can do fuckall about it.

Thank you for sharing this feature with me; I wasn't aware it existed. Since I'm now aware of this functionality, I no longer have an objection to the current system. It's definitely a happy medium.

Cheers.

kleinbl00  ·  2715 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah, we oughtta have a primer on mute/ignore/hush 'cuz nobody really understands it except the people who interact with it a lot.

Which, on the one hand, gives the people who need it a leg up. But, on the other hand, it antagonizes the people who will likely never interact with it.

_refugee_  ·  2715 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It's a back-door more than a feature - certainly didn't come about intentionally - but it's not a bad thing, I don't think. It also makes the confrontation less direct, which I think is good: even if B comments on C's shout-out, A won't receive a notification on it (unless B is an ass and calls A out).

mk  ·  2715 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    even if B comments on C's shout-out, A won't receive a notification on it (unless B is an ass and calls A out).

Muting kills shout-outs, so even there A is somewhat insulated.

mk  ·  2715 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That's right. The Vampire Invite is a bug that is a feature which is only so clever because it was completely unintended. I can't imagine myself devising it, but we won't be getting rid of it so long as it doesn't get out of hand.

But, I imagine abuse of the VI would quickly lead to the one doing the inviting getting themselves muted, which pushes things to whack-a-mole account creation, which is where everything else currently devolves to in a worst-case-scenario anyway.

kleinbl00  ·  2715 days ago  ·  link  ·  

"forbid vampire invites" would solve the problem immediately. That said, I'm not a fan of rolling out functionality that isn't currently necessary.

It's much easier to develop site functionality for a site full of friends. A site full of enemies requires harsher restrictions. Problem being, you design a friend sight for enemies and it starts being more attractive to enemies.

mk  ·  2715 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Agreed.

Also, less than 1% of people will have a clue about what that toggle is for. Many might just select 'yes' as a ward against the undead.

user-inactivated  ·  2694 days ago  ·  link  ·  
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user-inactivated  ·  2694 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    You can block people on Twitter, you can block people on Pinterest, you can block people on Tumblr, you can block people on Facebook.

What I don't really understand is why everyone is allowed to say "this isn't reddit", but not say "this isn't Twitter, Pinterest, Tumblr, or Facebook" (all equally as bad as reddit IMHO). Comparing this site to reddit is taboo, but comparing it to any other site is fine.

Another point is, Person C has no idea that Person B is muted to begin with, so how would Person C know that Person B needs a shout-out?

kleinbl00  ·  2694 days ago  ·  link  ·  

...because the functionality everyone wants is on Reddit but the functionality everyone decries is everywhere else. You don't provide an example in the negative to prove a positive point:

"Why can't I have flan at this Chinese restaurant?"

"Because it's not a Mexican restaurant, it's a Chinese restaurant. That's why there are chopsticks at your plate."

"But we're at PF Chang's, not Pick Up Sticks! Chopsticks anger me! Where's my flan?"

If Person C wants Person B's opinion on something, he should probably shout Person B out, rather than waiting for the stars to align.

user-inactivated  ·  2694 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    ...because the functionality everyone wants is on Reddit

And that's the problem. Everyone here is constantly making this an us vs. them, a mute vs unmute. There are multiple opinions here it's not two sided.

I hate reddit, Facebook, Twitter, etc. Hubski is the closest I have found to something tolerable, and it's not that far away from it which is why I'm trying to defend some basic ideas.

    "Why can't I have flan at this Chinese restaurant?"

This is completely asinine. This is a user submitted social link posting and discussion site, so is reddit, so is Facebook. Twitter is not, it's completely different due to text restrictions and such. Yes this site has a lot in common with it due to tags and user following, but I would say del.icio.us is even closer, just add commenting to it.

If we were comparing say Slashdot to Hubski, that would be a good instance of you saying we are comparing apples to oranges, but people aren't.