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mk  ·  4307 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Moore's Law Applied to Evolution: We May Be First Advanced Species in Milky Way

Here's the PDF.

Perusing through it, they seem to say more than just that.

At first glance, it seems to boil down to whether or not their measure of complexity is a valid one, and if this complexity maps to current known evolutionary timescales. Evolutionary genetics gives us data for this as far as I know.

Their measure of complexity is:

    measured by the length of functional non-redundant DNA per genome counted by nucleotide base pairs (bp), increases linearly with time (Sharov, 2012).

Sharov is one of the authors here. Here is the source cited, it's a slide deck and the last two slides are basically the figures in this article.

Although the idea would be a very satisfying way to deal with the apparent celestial silence, since the authors couldn't find a better source for a measure of complexity, it's my guess that that they just have that slope wrong.





theadvancedapes  ·  4307 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm going to have to give this PDF a closer look later in the day. Are you saying that length of functional non-redundant DNA per genome is a poor measure of complexity?

PS - I LOVE OPEN ACCESS. It needs to happen on a larger scale quicker.

JakobVirgil  ·  4307 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think yes it is a great metric the most complex and therefore "advanced" organism on earth is Daphnia pulex it makes sense as they are Blupes

b_b  ·  4307 days ago  ·  link  ·  

D. pulex has a long genome due to gene duplication, so it's not really a counterexample to the hypothesis.

JakobVirgil  ·  4306 days ago  ·  link  ·  

but seriously is the difference between us and the other apes our functional non-redundant DNA per genome or the qualities of our phenome?

JakobVirgil  ·  4307 days ago  ·  link  ·  

then I will have to come down as one opposed to the metric as it does not put my favorite on top.

mk  ·  4307 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Are you saying that length of functional non-redundant DNA per genome is a poor measure of complexity?

I can't say. I just would assume that evolutionary geneticists would have weighed in on the matter one way or the other. Maybe I am wrong. It's one critcal component of this hypothesis.

theadvancedapes  ·  4307 days ago  ·  link  ·  

My biggest question re: this issue would be do we even have an adequate grasp of functional non-redundant DNA per genome? The ENCODE project just revealed that DNA formerly considered junk is actually functional. I personally don't know what the best approach is to measure complexity in evolution, however I do understand the central idea that the authors are trying to convey.

mk  ·  4307 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah, there's no junk DNA. I work with microRNA. Until recently they were relagated to the junk DNA, and they are extremely potent regulators of gene expression. Nature doesn't tolerate waste, and it was silly to use language that suggests she does. :)

b_b  ·  4307 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Hmmm. While a few slides of a presentation certainly isn't sufficient to convince me of anything, I'm a bit intrigued. I'll read of few of this dude's papers and report back on my opinion.