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JTHipster  ·  4281 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Why Ad Blocking is devastating to the sites you love

I don't understand why people have such a deep seated hatred for advertisements. I don't actually find them terribly obtrusive unless they make noise or are a pop-up window, and a website is still a business that needs to make money to run. They aren't doing you a favor by making content you enjoy, they are running a business and advertising is a way to avoid charging their audience for the product.

Right now there are three major solutions to the problem of getting money for a website and none of them are very good. You are really down to either running through donations, running through advertisements, or setting up a paywall. Of course you can combine these in various degrees, but really that's it.

With a paywall, what happens is people pirate your content. One person gets an account, distributes the information to as many other people as click on the link. Even if its just sharing with friends, that's 5 sources of revenue gone right off the bat. Is piracy of articles as common as it is for movies, music, and video games? Of course not. Still there though, and even if its only a small percentage of your userbase, that adds up over time.

Donations are inconsistent and they aren't really sustainable as a business model. So yes, for relatively small sites like Hubski or for individual bloggers like Spoony, donations work. I'm fairly certain mk is not drawing a terribly large profit from here, but he can correct me on that if I'm wrong.

So what's left? Well, advertising in some form. Why? Because its really not that obtrusive and it does help curb pirated content while giving revenue to the creators. Why try and steal something that only costs maybe 30 seconds of your time to experience, or less if its a banner ad? There really isn't any.

I really hate the term entitlement, but for the most part that's what I see. Its a way to get content to creators without taking a dime out of the audience's pocket, and yet people have developed a way to utterly and totally destroy a model that is doing very little harm to them and their wallets.

Can you imagine a world where everything is behind a paywall of some kind? How many individual subscriptions you'd need to keep up, in addition to paying for the internet itself? That's my idea of hell on the web. Having to mange 10+ subscriptions just to view the content that I do today is not my idea of a good time.





mk  ·  4281 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I'm fairly certain mk is not drawing a terribly large profit from here, but he can correct me on that if I'm wrong.

No. Our donation link is very hard to find. :)

JTHipster  ·  4281 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Hubski has a donation link?

mk  ·  4281 days ago  ·  link  ·  

No, we don't.

I was about to type 'yes' and go off to bed, but that would have been uncool. :)

JTHipster  ·  4281 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Go to sleep mk. I'll donate like 400000 UPS boxes to you, since they're free.

syncretic  ·  4281 days ago  ·  link  ·  

...and why not? I'd be one of the first ones to sign up for a recurring monthly donation. Let us enter a custom amount and that would be even better!

speeding_snail  ·  4279 days ago  ·  link  ·  

There are 2 ways to make a memorable ad. The first way is to create a beautiful, funny or otherwise great ad which is a good experience in its own. The second way is to make the ad as annoying as possible (in the spirit of bad attention is attention as well). Unfortunately the second category is abundant on TV and radio because it is cheaper to create that kind of ad. (I remember one telling me to turn off my radio. When I didn't it proceeded to tell me "see, radio advertising works". Really annoying. I made a point out of it to turn off the radio every time I heard that one).

Now, I don't blame people for blocking ads on the internet any more than for zapping away because of radio/TV commercials. There are a couple of problems with internet ads for the one showing the ads however. First, the one who placed the ad can see how many people have actually seen it while on TV, radio and in the streets they can only guess. Second, when using the internet, you send your content to someone else. The receiver can then decide what he wants to view and what not. There is no way you can control what the receiver sees. These problems make the internet different from the more traditional media.

So, the internet is different. It can count the number of views and everybody can block what they want. Imagine TV with an unlimited skip ad button and the ability to count how many ads are actually watched. My guess is that the stations will be broke soon because no one watches the ads anymore. This is what is happening on the internet at the moment. More and more people find the unlimited skip button in the form of ad blocking software. And once they have found that button, they set it to autoskip and will never ever think about it again. You have lost them forever as potential 'eyeballs'.

Now, how do you prevent people from setting up blocking software? Simple, don't run ads at all and make money otherwise. But is you really want to run them, your only option is to use acceptable ads. That isn't the case at the moment. Youtube treats its player as a tv, putting 30 seconds long ads in front of a 3 minute video and news sites treat you like an idiot with intrusive ads about completely unrelated things while often cutting an article in 3 parts to generate more ad revenue. This doesn't amount to acceptable advertising in my book and gets blocked accordingly.

So, I think we have arrived at my conclusion about advertising. Not all advertising is bad, but it needs to be acceptable. Unacceptable advertising will be blocked and once I block, there is no way back. You screwed it up and I don't have the incentive to give you a second chance.

Now, for the other possible ways to make money: Paywall and donations. Paywalls suffer from piracy, just like everything else. However, I think it is really naive to think that you can ban piracy. Most independent studies published on the subject have even shown an increase in sales for pirated stuff (unfortunately I cannot find those studies anymore, sorry). The problem with paywalls is that there is no easy way to pay. For example, I I want to pay for a paywall, I have to use a credit card. I for one, don't have one since we have a better system to pay online in the Netherlands (and we have to pay for a credit card). However, since the paywall is in the US, I cannot pay unless I use PayPal. If I don't have PayPal either it becomes pretty hard to pay (and I WILL be taking the easy route, so no doing a long setup procedure to get a PayPal account etc). Long story short: Make things easier and have something to offer. Then people will pay.

On donations: Yes, you are right. Donations are not a viable business model for a for profit organisation. For non-profits and small blogs/sites this is actually viable.