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ButterflyEffect  ·  4095 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: The Scariest Environmental Fact in the World

Hold on. Let's think about this for a minute. China is tops in the world in terms of manufacturing, and also has a huge population. That factors heavily into how much they're putting out in terms of pollution and harm of the environment. I believe, per person, that the United States is still well ahead of China in this aspect.





mk  ·  4095 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That might be true. However, when it comes to climate change, it doesn't matter who is producing it. What I see, is that not only are the contributions to climate change being shared, but the are solutions too. I don't expect that the world will be able to come to terms in a timeliness that will avert significant change.

ButterflyEffect  ·  4095 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I realize that. The entire developed and developing world is at fault. However, you're not going to see a change anytime soon. All the infrastructure is in place to use fossil fuels for manufacturing and other processes. You might find a new, suitable replacement. Let's say wind or solar power have significant improvements to make them viable for widespread industry. Well you're still going to have years of implementing that infrastructure before it's really going to work. Coal is still generally the cheaper source of energy.

Do you still want your cheap made in China items to be cheap? If you do, then you're not going to see a change in China anytime soon. I'm not referring to just to you with that, mk, but to society as a whole. I completely agree with the article that clean energy needs to be as cheap as fossil fuels before you'll start to see a switch, especially when it comes to developing countries.

mk  ·  4095 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Do you still want your cheap made in China items to be cheap? If you do, then you're not going to see a change in China anytime soon. I'm not referring to just to you with that, mk, but to society as a whole.

Personally, I don't. We've basically outsourced our environmental concerns to a place where the damage doesn't so directly affect us.

I think we largely agree. We are headed towards a difficult place, and the motivation to change course will come too late.